The FTC says Nintendo don't count

[daze23]

Nintendo is not a competitor to Sony or Microsoft and hasn't been so in years. Almost nobody walks into a store and makes an either or decision to buy a Nintendo console vs a Sony / Microsoft console.

says the guy who owns all three

 

[The Mad Titan]

So you saying the type of gamer that wants to play stuff like Grand Theft Auto, Madden, Fifa, Battlefield, Call of Duty is seriously looking at a Switch and a PS5 and weighing which one they want and will only buy one? The primary driver of a Nintendo console purchase is Nintendo content almost exclusively.

The buyer of a PlayStation or Xbox wants those high profile 3rd party games. The determining factor of which they get is the exclusive content or either of those platforms that calls to them more.

Sony vs Microsoft is mostly a zero sum game. People have no issue owning both a PlayStation and a Switch. Most people (outside of enthusiast) will say owning both an Xbox and a PlayStation is not worth it to them.

The type of gamer? Why is that distinction even being made? If the switch ran games like the "trash" series S LOTS of people would EASILY just cop a switch and be completely golden.

Sony and Microsoft are both lucky Nintendo doesn't or hasn't released consoles with Power in mind. That alone would shake the game up something so serious that sony would turn on there heads.

I always say sony stans love to talk sales numbers and how popular stuff is vs Xbox but when it comes to nintendo they just don't want to include that data.

Here it is again but on a grander level.


A gamer is a gamer is a gamer, especially casuals, and what they play on can change with the wind if something is done right or wrong and based on where there friends are playing. So trying to take Nintendo of all people out of the console conversation because its not high end current gen hardware is nuts. Especially when they have NO idea what the next Nintendo system spec are, or will be.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Sony and Microsoft are both lucky Nintendo doesn't or hasn't released consoles with Power in mind. That alone would shake the game up something so serious that sony would turn on there heads.

Yes because they haven’t done that before

We must have short memories because the PS2 slaughtered the GameCube. Nintendo isn’t choosing to spare Microsoft or Sony out of the goodness of their hearts, they simply can’t compete on a technological scale of the other two. They would actually have to lose money in order to do that

Fanboys can ignore the evidence all they want but Nintendos greatest success post SNES has been in the mobile/portable space which is why they are thriving with the Switch now. Its basically their next handheld, which is why they are in their own separate market

 

[The Mad Titan]

Yes because they haven’t done that before

We must have short memories because the PS2 slaughtered the GameCube

The game cube didn't really jump off because it was strictly a gaming system. Didn't have online and like No 3rd party support for the 1st year almost.
It did however still spawn some of Nintendo's most current day iconic characters

 

[winb83]

Data from the last console generation suggest that 18% of people who own a PS4 also owned an Xbox One. Meanwhile 47% of people that had an Xbox One also had a PS4. Considering the PS4 at least doubled the Xbox One's sales we can clearly see that if somebody walks into a store and makes an either or decision to buy a PlayStation they probably aren't buying an Xbox.

Data suggests almost half of Xbox One users also own a PlayStation 4

New data from Ampere Analysis suggests a strong overlap in console ownership across Xbox and PlayStation owners.

www.gamedeveloper.com

Microsoft said Xbox One sales were less than half of PS4 sales which were last known at 117 million

Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

The first official recognition PS4 outsold Xbox One.

www.theverge.com

If we give the Xbox One 58 million which is admittedly more than it sold per Microsoft, that means there are less than 28 million people that chose Xbox One over PS4 and 95 million simply passed on the Xbox One altogether.

So I mean you tell me why could Nintendo sell over 114 million Switch devices LTD and Xbox One couldn't even crack 60 million while the PlayStation 4 sold 117. I say it's because 2 of those companies are in direct competition and one of them isn't. That's why Xbox One sales suffered at the expense of PlayStation while Switch sales didn't. Hell inside of 7 years the Switch will sell what it took the PS4 9 years to sell.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

The game cube didn't really jump off because it was strictly a gaming system. Didn't have online and like No 3rd party support for the 1st year almost.
It did however still spawn some of Nintendo's most current day iconic characters

Nintendo still barely has online or 3rd party support, nothing has changed.

It just proves that nintendo has been in their own bubble for 3 decades, which proves the point of FTC’s claim. The power of the GameCube and games like Resident Evil 4 did nothing to turn the tide which is why they gave up trying to compete with power

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Fanboys can ignore the evidence all they want but Nintendos greatest success post SNES has been in the mobile/portable space which is why they are thriving with the Switch now. Its basically their next handheld, which is why they are in their own separate market

I agree that Nintendo is in it's own lane, but this is inaccurate. You can't skip over the Wii, which is still the 5th most sold console ever.

That outsold the PS3 and X360 both

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I agree that Nintendo is in it's own lane, but this is inaccurate. You can't skip over the Wii, which is still the 5th most sold console ever.

That outsold the PS3 and X360 both

The Wii still only sold like 10 million more units than the ps3 and xbox 360. It wasn’t exactly a huge blow out like it has been for the GameCube, N64, and Wii U vs playstations consoles.


Nintendo 64 was 33 million, PS1 was 72 million
GameCube was 22 million, PS2 was 155 million
Wii U was 14 million, PS4 was 117 million

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

The Wii still only sold like 10 million more units than the ps3 and xbox 360. It wasn’t exactly a huge blow out like it has been for the GameCube, N64, and Wii U vs playstations consoles.

Their failures are their failures, but their successes are their successes

The Wii was a massive win for them.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Their failures are their failures, but their successes are their successes

The Wii was a massive win for them.

So what does that mean in relation to this topic?

 

[daze23]

Xbots only play dude bro games. Sony Stans only play movie games. Nintendo Stans only play Pokemon. PC Stans only play Mechwarrior

none of them compete

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Xbots only play dude bro games. Sony Stans only play movie games. Nintendo Stans only play Pokemon. PC Stans only play Mechwarrior

none of them compete

Battletech >>>

 

[The Mad Titan]

Nintendo still barely has online or 3rd party support, nothing has changed.

It just proves that nintendo has been in their own bubble for 3 decades, which proves the point of FTC’s claim. The power of the GameCube and games like Resident Evil 4 did nothing to turn the tide which is why they gave up trying to compete with power

So what? Did they left the console market? They have been and are still are one of the most recognized consoles. But now because

I'm struggling to understand how this matters at all, how this makes them not a factor in the console market.

It's silly and only stans argue otherwise.

The switch 2 could be more powerful than a Series S then what? All of a sudden things change? Now they are console game again?


Nintendo being in there own land doesn't mean they aren't making consoles.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

So what? Did they left the console market?

I mean, pretty much.

The switch 2 could be more powerful than a Series S then wha

It won’t be. If their next console is a ‘Switch 2’ it will be continue to be bottlenecked by its battery life and form factor. That to me screams that it will always be a handheld first and a home console second.

If the steamdeck is docked it doesn’t suddenly make it a home console either

 

[humminbird]

quoting the artcile here

the FTC defines the high-performance console market as Gen 9 systems like the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S. Since the Switch is technically a Gen 8 console because it launched in 2017 and lacks comparative power akin to its competitors' newer hardware, Nintendo is not included in this market.

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