The fertility crisis is here and it will permanently alter the economy - CNN

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There are plenty of people in relationships who can’t afford children.

There are plenty of children born from ‘situationships’.

There are a lot of children in the care home system.

When you have a government that wants to remove autonomy from a woman’s reproductive rights, is it any wonder we’re heading towards this ‘crisis’?

You’re looking at it from a very oversimplified manner.
It's the "anything but capitalism" cope you see people deploy here desperately.

I stay angry at the southern states because I care about the safety of children and these demons put insane policies while claiming they're protecting children.

They want to force women to have children, but refuse to introduce subsidized or free daycare, they cut school lunch programs and funding for public schools, do nothing to change zoning laws so a parent or small family can buy a house, refuse to redesign the city so that they can save money on transportation, cut funding to libraries who provide FREE education and a break for parents, cut funding for medical care that will actually help sick kids, refuse to teach sex education which helps kids know if an adult is molesting them. And they don't give a fukk about the climate change that's going to kill those kids before they hit adulthood.

They just want the body, they don't care about the child and it makes me fukking sick watching people not only accept that, but DEFEND it.
 

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It's not a "fertility crisis".

It's the fact that.

PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE.

MAJORITY OF AMERICANS CANNOT AFFORD TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN ANY MAJOR US CITY.

MAJORITY OF YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY WILL NEVER OWN A HOME.

MAJORITY OF HIGH PAYING JOBS WERE OUTSOURCED OVERSEAS.
 

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It's too late. The big three private equity firms(Blackrock, vanguard, state street) own the American economy and have their hands in the retirement accounts of most of the country. Combined, all three have access to assets worth more than the GDP of entire countries.

They've embedded themselves in the stock portfolios of nearly every politician, and most investors you know. Own apple stock? So does Blackrock and they own a stupid amount of shares. Own Google shares? So does state street.

The only way out of this involves a second great depression where literally trillions of dollars of value is gone.

Tech companies have also embedded themselves in most things. You want to sell a product? Give Amazon a cut. You want to develop an app? Give Google and Apple a cut. You want to make a website? Amazon web services gets a piece. These companies have a massive presence on a service most people use, and most government services are moving online.

The global economy as it currently exists needs to collapse in order for people to build something better in its place. The good news is that with these tech companies going all in on AI that isn't ready and firing thousands of people a month, that collapse may happen sooner rather than later. Millions of unemployed people who can't make enough money on gig work, can't afford to pay rising rents, and can't even pay into government systems because they have such low income the tax revenue the government can get out of them is less than half of what they expect. Those people aren't having children, or are having a max of one or two and those kids aren't making enough money, have miserable childhoods and won't become parents.

This means lower tax revenue for government, a loss of retail investors for companies, reduced revenue for banks, and reduced revenue for tech. People won't buy a Netflix subscription if they can't heat their homes. People might spend all day on social media screaming at each other and blaming each other instead of who's really behind this, or because they're not working they'll all start talking about how they lost their jobs and where the future went. And certain patterns will emerge and they'll realize who the authors of their pain actually are. You see it now with growing levels of fascism, but also growing levels of anti capitalism online. People are being radicalized at an alarming rate and it's only going to accelerate.
Great post
 

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Perhaps if they just made having babies cheap, easy and with support we wouldn't have this issue.

As long as people have to choose between kids and economics, that's gonna be a very simple choice for most people 40 and under. It's already a painful, crazy and emotionally devastating experience for women that permanently alters their bodies. But then you want to make it expensive as hell, charge people in the hospital to hold their own kids out of the womb, then you won't give families time off, you won't make daycare/pre-K cheap or free, you don't subsidize baby products, you don't invest in the education system, kids are getting their heads blown off in schools and by the way there's no guarantee they'll get a job.

Breh, who the fukk would have a kid in this context?
 

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I'm okay with this. Africa up



Up? With only 3 out of 54 countries expected to maintain a replacement fertility rate?



"The world needs more babies" It does? :leon: I thought there were too many people on the planet? :mjgrin:


The world needs more white babies :sas1:


More babies, period.

Birth rates all over the world have tanked in the last decade, much faster than "researchers" predicted.




As recently as 2019, a benchmark study by the United Nations Population Division for 2020 to 2100 forecast that fertility in Latin American and Caribbean countries would stabilize at an average of around 1.75 children per woman in the latter half of this century. Stunningly, except for Mexico, all the countries listed in this graph have already dropped below this level. Uruguay, Costa Rica, Chile, Jamaica, and Cuba now have total fertility rates of around 1.3 children per woman—the so-called “ultra-low fertility” threshold that has only been seen in a handful of European and East Asian countries.






Our species is not done multiplying, to be sure. But, to quote the UNPD, “More than half of the projected increase in the global population between 2022 and 2050 is expected to be concentrated in just eight countries: the Democratic Republic of the Congo [DRC], Egypt, Ethiopia, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines and the United Republic of Tanzania.” That is because already “close to half of the global population lives in a country or area where lifetime fertility is below 2.1 births per woman.”

In Europe there is no longer a difference between Roman Catholic and Protestant countries. Italy’s current TFR (1.21) is lower than England’s (1.44). Nor is there a difference between Christian and Islamic civilizations — those great historical entities whose clashes the historian Samuel Huntington worried about. The US total fertility rate is now 1.62. The figure for the Islamic Republic of Iran is 1.54.

Cultural change has also played a part. One study estimated that roughly a third of the decline in fertility in the US between 2007 and 2016 was due to the decline in unintended births. My generation — the baby boomers — were more impulsive and indeed reckless about sex. By contrast, according to the psychologists Brooke Wells and Jean Twenge, millennials have fewer sex partners on average than we did. A 2020 analysis of responses to the General Social Survey revealed higher rates of sexual inactivity among the most recent cohort of 20- to 24-year-olds than among their predecessors born in the 1970s and ‘80s. Between 2000-02 and 2016–18, the proportion of 18- to 24-year-old men who reported having no sexual activity in the past year increased from 19% to 31%.
 

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I can’t possibly see how a world with less people using and fighting over resources can be a bad thing

This is based on a myth anyway.

Alot of the "resources" aren't really needed to sustain life or for life to flourish, only a selfish lifestyle really. Alot of these "resource" based beliefs come from satanic gnosticism, not anything rooted in truth.
 

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There are plenty of people in relationships who can’t afford children.

There are plenty of children born from ‘situationships’.

There are a lot of children in the care home system.

When you have a government that wants to remove autonomy from a woman’s reproductive rights, is it any wonder we’re heading towards this ‘crisis’?

You’re looking at it from a very oversimplified manner.

I think you're both right. Cant have women waiting till 50 to have kids
 

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Up? With only 3 out of 54 countries expected to maintain a replacement fertility rate?









More babies, period.

Birth rates all over the world have tanked in the last decade, much faster than "researchers" predicted.











You all have such faith in your own American stats and numbers. Are they counting every village and country bush town? WHO's counting?(pun)

Wasn't COVID supposed to decimate Africa too?
 

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There are 8B people, the word does not need more. Y’all simply need to redo your economic models and stop hoping for endless consumption and endless bodies to fund social programs. Imagine taxing corporations correctly and cutting defense/genocide spending, all the things we could fund :ohhh:

This is more bad logic based on foolish stats that stem from a lifestyle that is not condusive for a flourishing humanity. It's only Western people who say this garbage becasue westerners live a self centered over consuming urban lifestyle. There's enough room and food for more poeple, it's just that you all like cities.

Too many large cities are bad, not too many people living spread out.
 

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Translation; the world needs more economic slaves to satisfy the debt creations that world banks depend on for power:unimpressed:
That's what all this "we gotta get the birth rates up" talk is about and why I don't get too riled up about it. They just views kids, and people in general, as cogs in the system.

This convo is very disingenuous on both sides.
 
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