The Father of Hiphop says you need to check these non blacks using the N word

[IllmaticDelta]

^^^^ bruh you’re doing waaaaaay too much, you’ve been on google just:

dude, Im posting facts

Herc probably spun some disco fam he was a DJ in the 70’s, relax.

you backpeddling already

but like caz said when he started the “break” records with OLDER songs, that’s when people started talking about his parties, and coke la rock started rhyming over the breaks = birth of hip hop.

EVERYONE played those break and neither coke or herc rhymed over beats, something everyone from that time and scene admits

first rappers came from the disco scene

Once again, NONE of you have posted evidence that this never happened or there was somebody else doing this before Herc

I posted countless evidence already

 

[Stacks]

dude, Im posting facts



you backpeddling already





EVERYONE played those break and neither coke or herc rhymed over beats, something everyone from that time and scene admits

first rappers came from the disco scene

I posted countless evidence already

You’re arguing over what? Unless it’s about these piece of shyt whites, shut the fukk up

 

[Booker T Garvey]

I clearly laid it out for you



EVERYONE played those records bef

dude, facts are the facts. herc didn't st

dude, Im posting facts



you backpeddling alrea

this will be my last reply because ole buddy was right, you cats just like to argue for the sake of arguing:

1) You're only argument is that "herc spun disco!" for the 3rd time, herc said himself that one day he decided to switch it up...yes, he was spinning disco because it was 1973..
this is such a dumbass argument I can't believe i'm seeing it.

2) Imagine somebody saying "WHITE CASTLE WAS THE FIRST FAST FOOD CHAIN" (which they were)

you're that dude that would post videos of people selling hot dogs and sandwiches from stands at different baseball games decades prior, completely missing and changing the argument

bottom line is that HERC invented isolating THE BREAK which was the foundation for hip hop's sound, emceeing and b-boying, you haven't provided evidence that has suggested he didn't do this yet.

feel free to quote this and get your last word in, but I've got to preserve my IQ points fam and this is getting redundant and ridiculous

 

[truth2you]

this will be my last reply because ole buddy was right, you cats just like to argue for the sake of arguing:

1) You're only argument is that "herc spun disco!" for the 3rd time, herc said himself that one day he decided to switch it up...yes, he was spinning disco because it was 1973..
this is such a dumbass argument I can't believe i'm seeing it.

2) Imagine somebody saying "WHITE CASTLE WAS THE FIRST FAST FOOD CHAIN" (which they were)

you're that dude that would post videos of people selling hot dogs and sandwiches from stands at different baseball games decades prior, completely missing and changing the argument

bottom line is that HERC invented isolating THE BREAK which was the foundation for hip hop's sound, emceeing and b-boying, you haven't provided evidence that has suggested he didn't do this yet.

feel free to quote this and get your last word in, but I've got to preserve my IQ points fam and this is getting redundant and ridiculous

Herc did not invent isolating the break, Pete "dj" jones was doing that way before herc. Herc didn't even dj like most think he did, he just threw on records. Herc claim is he made breaks his theme as a dj, as NYC was full of dj competition. No one else did this, they catered to older people or just dj'ed mostly black disco music which still had breaks, and wasn't some corny shyt people think when they hear the word disco. True music fans know this. So, they weren't focused on breaks, because the street kids who got herc to focus on breaks, didn't go to the older people parties. If they did, dancing on the floor was not gonna happen there, the older people got dressed up!

This NYC DJ culture needs to be told more, because this lie that herc created all these techniques from rapping to djing, is just ridiculous. Herc is the man for focusing on breaks for his party, but everything else people give him credit for, is just ridiculous, ESPECIALLY when tons of people who were there all say different shyt!

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Herc did not invent isolating the break, Pete "dj" jones was doing that way before herc.

prove this. and after you've proved it, go to every hip hop forum, tweet and "@" everybody prominent in hip hop culture and show them your findings

you dudes are getting cartoonish silly with this shyt now...there's a regular plain ass woman in one of these videos SAYING - with her mouth using plain english - that HERCS PARTIES STOOD OUT B/C OF THE JAMES BROWN BREAKS

all you dudes are doing are naming other DJ's around this time...nobody is saying no other DJ's existed, that HERC WAS THE BEST DJ or any of that shyt...

Herc was the first one to isolate and loop the BREAKS off of james brown funk records, this was the catalyst and blueprint for HIP HOP moving forward
are we pretending that james brown wasn't the most sampled artist in hip hop in the 80's!?!? HERC started that.

 

[truth2you]

but like caz said when he started the “break” records with OLDER songs, that’s when people started talking about his parties, and coke la rock started rhyming over the breaks = birth of hip hop.

Coke la rock didn't rhyme to the beat, he just said quick phrases. Dj Hollywood was one of, if not the first, to rhyme on beat in the dj world

This Kay Slay interview with him explains his version of the story. Always remember they were young kids when they tell their story, so that means older people were already doing most of the stuff they did, they just didn't know because they were just regular kids who happen to do parties for other young people in the Bronx, not other parts of NYC. The only one who can say he was in the NYC dj culture was Grandmaster flash, he came up under Pete "dj" Jones:

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Here is an example of what Herc started

This is an R&B/FUNK song from 1972 - at 1:21 in the song they didn't even try to alter it or anything they just lifted it.



they isolated the HOOK from that song and made this whole song from it:



^^^ HERC. INVENTED. THIS. TECHNIQUE.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Coke la rock didn't rhyme to the beat, he just said quick phrases. Dj Hollywood was one of, if not the first, to rhyme on beat in the dj world

This Kay Slay interview with him explains his version of the story. Always remember they were young kids when they tell their story, so that means older people were already doing most of the stuff they did, they just didn't know because they were just regular kids who happen to do parties for other young people in the Bronx, not other parts of NYC. The only one who can say he was in the NYC dj culture was Grandmaster flash, he came up under Pete "dj" Jones:

he's rhyming in the video and at the time stamp you just posted

nobody said anything about "to the beat" but you..i just said what they were doing

you dudes are exhausting

 

[Booker T Garvey]

My G u gon b doing this all night and 2 weeks from now when the thread gets made again.. I fell into the trap

DONT DO IT

No disrespect to @IllmaticDelta i really think dude is sharp when he wanna be but 8/10 son just gon throw random contradictory book pages at u until he go to sleep

Like u cud tell that nikka yo Herc played this venue in 1972 before your man did and he would respond with a book quote from a nikka in Brooklyn saying Herc stole his swag in 1974

my dude you called it. these cats in here are weird...i'm bowing out.

 

[truth2you]

prove this. and after you've proved it, go to every hip hop forum, tweet and "@" everybody prominent in hip hop culture and show them your findings

you dudes are getting cartoonish silly with this shyt now...there's a regular plain ass woman in one of these videos SAYING - with her mouth using plain english - that HERCS PARTIES STOOD OUT B/C OF THE JAMES BROWN BREAKS

all you dudes are doing are naming other DJ's around this time...nobody is saying no other DJ's existed, that HERC WAS THE BEST DJ or any of that shyt...

Herc was the first one to isolate and loop the BREAKS off of james brown funk records, this was the catalyst and blueprint for HIP HOP moving forward
are we pretending that james brown wasn't the most sampled artist in hip hop in the 80's!?!? HERC started that.

So, just because a million people repeat the same shyt they heard from someone else means the story is wrong?

I never said anything about James Brown?

If you think Herc was the first to loop or isolate breaks then I know you are not really into the dj culture, I am, and have been in love with it since I was a little kid. If it wasn't for "illmaticdelta" I wouldn't have known the truth to all the shyt I heard, even though I knew some of the shyt they tell about hip hop history didn't make sense because of the knowledge I did have, said different. I then realized most people who tell hip hop history don't really know the history of music,or the equipment used, and is why they can repeat the nonsense we are told about how hip hop began.

I bet you don't dj, so knowing who was the first to use a pitch for mixing, what equipment was used, how they dj'ed, and so much more that deals with the actual culture of djing, isn't important to you, so its easy for you to believe what you do, but once you get into the culture of djing, its clear as day the history bam, herc, and flash tell is bullshyt! They tell it leaving out a whole bunch of shyt. For instance, I didn't even realize Herc didn't even spin breaks until around a year later after his first party that we all think is the first born day of hip hop. "Illmaticdelta" brought this to my attention, and even I was defending Herc, until I read for myself that Herc didn't start spinning breaks until later on. Even Coke La rock said in the Kay Slay interview that he didn't really get on the mic until the fourth party(If I remember correctly), so how can hip hop be born in 1973, but none of the things they are credited for didn't even happy on that day?

 

[truth2you]

he's rhyming in the video and at the time stamp you just posted

nobody said anything about "to the beat" but you..i just said what they were doing

you dudes are exhausting

Well then you can go way before Coke La rock!

It was radio dj's they were all emulating in the first place! Why do you think the first rappers sounded like radio dj's?!

Even Jamaican toasters were emulating them!

 

[Booker T Garvey]

So, just because a million people repeat the same shyt they heard from someone else means the story is wrong?

I never said anything about James Brown?

nikka, I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JAMES BROWN - THE WOMAN IN THE VIDEO MENTIONED JAMES BROWN...that's an important element to the equation

nobody was dee-jaying using old funk/R&B records back then, this is what gave it a fresh sound

every other song produced in the early 80's used james brown or a funk/R&B record for that reason

you dudes call yourselves HIP HOP FANS!?!?

 

[truth2you]

Here is an example of what Herc started

This is an R&B/FUNK song from 1972 - at 1:21 in the song they didn't even try to alter it or anything they just lifted it.



they isolated the HOOK from that song and made this whole song from it:



^^^ HERC. INVENTED. THIS. TECHNIQUE.

You are trolling now!

That is just a remake of a song, not the same thing. You are making connections, but you are jumping through so much more that happened before that song was created.

AGAIN, Herc made playing breaks his theme, looping breaks on beat to be smooth came from Grandmaster flash(in the hip hop world). He most likely got the technique from Pete "dj" jones, who blended music smooth as disco dj's were known for that. When Herc dj'ed it was not smooth, BUT because he played breaks the young gang members could dance longer. Before Herc did that, they would dance to the break, then have to stop and do more uptop moves, when the singing came on or the beat changed. Herc saw this, and tha tis why he focused on spinning breaks. It was a BIG thing, but just leave it at that, all this other stuff is just exaggerating!

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You are trolling now!

That is just a remake of a song, not the same thing. !

i'm literally arguing with functionally retarded muthafukkas

you do know that a REMAKE is a song with the same title and is literally the SAME EXACT SONG...that is the definition of a REMAKE.

this song is 15 years after kool herc's parties - by then the "technique" was cemented in hip hop culture...PRIOR TO 1973, a song like THIS TAKES TWO wouldn't have existed.

HERC is the one who took funk HOOKS/BREAKS and made SONGS out of them...none of you weirdos have posted evidence, interviews, or compelling arguments do disprove this.

okay i'm done for real this time...the arguments just keep getting dumber and dumber though

 

[truth2you]

nikka, I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JAMES BROWN - THE WOMAN IN THE VIDEO MENTIONED JAMES BROWN...that's an important element to the equation

nobody was dee-jaying using old funk/R&B records back then, this is what gave it a fresh sound

every other song produced in the early 80's used james brown or a funk/R&B record for that reason

you dudes call yourselves HIP HOP FANS!?!?

I see you don't know music history when it comes to the disco scene, which gave birth to hip hop, so I'm not gonna try to play you, but you are wrong again!

Most of the records dj'ed WERE old funk/R&b because that was poppin at the time. You do know this was the early 70's right? That is when funk was taking over black people all over America! AND JAMES BROWN IS THE FATHER OF FUNK!

Herc needed breaks, and it was so much competiton he just went back to the old music, but remember old doesn't mean how we see old, it was just a few years back. Remember music took time to come out, so it wasn't really that old, and because the early disco sound was taking over NYC, what Herc did was actually a smart business move, but don't turn it into some creative genius shyt. give him props for noticing something, coming up with an idea, and it helped grow into something new, but he didn't plan any of this, and it wasn't some magical thing. People need to stop thinking like children, and seeing life as a movie! There were people who were using the same elements he was using, he just put his twist on it. He got lucky he came up when gangs in NYC started dying down, and the younger people found a way to have fun, but even then he had to get down with gang members "nine lives crew" or he would have had his shyt took the first day he came to the park! Bam was under the spades, so that is why he was safe.

And NO, the early 80's did not use James Brown, that came about in the late 80's with Marley Marl. He did it because sampling was a new thing, the 80's had an electronic sound, and he wanted that funk. Plus, hip hop is about the drums being hard, and James Brown breaks allowed you to sample the drums, make them louder, and put an 808 over it, that made Marley Marl the man with music being loud, clean, but still that older sound because he sampled James Brown. I was there, I remember everything!