The fact that Miami allows Danny Green to touch the ball is mind blowing

[ThaBronxBully]

this thread is a problem with bball discussions on this forum

No one is allowing Green to get open looks, they are well crafted plays where Green is finding open pockets.

His movement off the ball is what is getting him looks.

The Spurs are a team that all 5 guys can get points.

THIS

+ Blown Coverage's And Just Plain Tough Shots He's Made

Lets Not Act Like More Than Once We Have Seen Green Make 3's With A Hand In His Face Or Being Pushed Out Damn Near 2 Feet Behind The Arch

Also Keep Those Transition 3's In Mind When The Spurs Are Running With Numbers

Of Course There's Been Times Where No One Has Stepped Up On Green Like They Should Have But Lets Not Act Like The Heat Are Clueless

 

[mastermind]

Green and Neal are a major problem in this series. They have to get a man on Green at all times and let Lebron sit on Parker on the D at all times. You cant have Parker blow past players for layups all game. If he isnt doing that the ball is going to an open Green. Take Green out and Parker will have to go to the rim all game long and i doubt he has the energy to keep doing that with that hamstring.

Green gets himself open but all you need is a body that will stay close and not leave any catching space open. Heat has better athletes overall and they need to start using that. Thats how Spurs slowed down a better shooter in Steph Curry.

The main reason why Lebron seems to not go off in these games is that he guards way too many Spurs players leaving him tired. He had to catch his breath even when the Heat were attacking: Look at a lot of plays when Wade was handling the ball, Lebron wasn't that involved in the plays because he was back at the arc catching his breath while the Heat offense went 4 against 5.

Btw, Parker commits an offensive foul every single time he drives. He uses his extended hand to block off the defender. I'm pretty sure that's not allowed.

you really think its as easy as "put a body" on Green?

Even when they get a hand in his face, he is still nailing his 3s.

breh, running around and fighting through screens is hard as fukk. And on top of that Parker is blowing by anyone they put on him. Adding Ginobli to the starting line up gave another penetration option too.

 

[duckbutta]

Wade isnt forgetting about dude, running through screens and chasing someone is hard as fukk.

Basketball is not a 1v1 game, no matter what we have seen the last 15-20 years.

The spurs run the motion offense and its hard to defend against.

Co-sign...

There is no such thing as guarding green, or manu, or parker, or neal, or leonard, 1 on 1...because the spurs motion offense is just a series of p&r and curl screens that eventually you just can't fight through them all or you make a mistake on p&r where both guys go over the top or you just eventually end up with a bad matchup on offense ( miller guarding duncan or some shyt )

Let's say they tell chalmers to stay with green...pop would look at that shyt like ...swing it to green in the corner, put duncan on that baseline...let duncan sit the pick...either green gets an open look, or they switch it and now chalmers is on duncan...then if that happens they have to double duncan and who is prob gonna be the closest man to double with...green's man...you end up giving him the same open look you tried to deny him

what i thought was funny, is that spo made an effort to not switch anything...and that was the sequence in which parker just shytted all over cole...and then eventually they just started to iso cole against parker and manu everytime until spo had to finally say and start switching on the pick and roll again...

anotehr problem is that miller and allen have been pretty atrocious defensively...several times green and neal have been open cause wade is chasing one of them, get's screened, and instead of miller or allen picking green or neal up they just stay on their man...boom open look

if you go back and look at the games, their are so many times that wade is :fight: on a leonard screen with miller standing right behind leonard as green runs right past him and miller does not pick him up at all...then after green drains it wade and miller are looking at each other like

 

[malbaker86]

Co-sign...

There is no such thing as guarding green, or manu, or parker, or neal, or leonard, 1 on 1...because the spurs motion offense is just a series of p&r and curl screens that eventually you just can't fight through them all or you make a mistake on p&r where both guys go over the top or you just eventually end up with a bad matchup on offense ( miller guarding duncan or some shyt )

Let's say they tell chalmers to stay with green...pop would look at that shyt like ...swing it to green in the corner, put duncan on that baseline...let duncan sit the pick...either green gets an open look, or they switch it and now chalmers is on duncan...then if that happens they have to double duncan and who is prob gonna be the closest man to double with...green's man...you end up giving him the same open look you tried to deny him

what i thought was funny, is that spo made an effort to not switch anything...and that was the sequence in which parker just shytted all over cole...and then eventually they just started to iso cole against parker and manu everytime until spo had to finally say and start switching on the pick and roll again...

anotehr problem is that miller and allen have been pretty atrocious defensively...several times green and neal have been open cause wade is chasing one of them, get's screened, and instead of miller or allen picking green or neal up they just stay on their man...boom open look

if you go back and look at the games, their are so many times that wade is :fight: on a leonard screen with miller standing right behind leonard as green runs right past him and miller does not pick him up at all...then after green drains it wade and miller are looking at each other like

at your usage of the smilies bruh

 

[froggle]

I am so glad that a real discussion with people knowledgeable about basketball is taking place here vs the million and one LeChoke, #greatestnever reactionary bullshyt that goes on on in the other threads.

The Spurs offense is just brutal and it is easy to see why Pop is such a great coach.

 

[Easy-E]

They keep a man attached to Danny and the lanes are gonna open up for Parker and Ginobili. Its a pick your poison thing

3pts>2pts

Green's man should NEVER be helping at this point.

Miami has a big man, this doesn't happen

Tony Parker been slicing and dicin all series

Only person he's not drivin on is Lebron and maybe Bosh

 

[DonkeyPuncher718]

Co-sign...

There is no such thing as guarding green, or manu, or parker, or neal, or leonard, 1 on 1...because the spurs motion offense is just a series of p&r and curl screens that eventually you just can't fight through them all or you make a mistake on p&r where both guys go over the top or you just eventually end up with a bad matchup on offense ( miller guarding duncan or some shyt )

Let's say they tell chalmers to stay with green...pop would look at that shyt like ...swing it to green in the corner, put duncan on that baseline...let duncan sit the pick...either green gets an open look, or they switch it and now chalmers is on duncan...then if that happens they have to double duncan and who is prob gonna be the closest man to double with...green's man...you end up giving him the same open look you tried to deny him

what i thought was funny, is that spo made an effort to not switch anything...and that was the sequence in which parker just shytted all over cole...and then eventually they just started to iso cole against parker and manu everytime until spo had to finally say and start switching on the pick and roll again...

anotehr problem is that miller and allen have been pretty atrocious defensively...several times green and neal have been open cause wade is chasing one of them, get's screened, and instead of miller or allen picking green or neal up they just stay on their man...boom open look

if you go back and look at the games, their are so many times that wade is :fight: on a leonard screen with miller standing right behind leonard as green runs right past him and miller does not pick him up at all...then after green drains it wade and miller are looking at each other like

at your usage of the smilies bruh

Word

I am so glad that a real discussion with people knowledgeable about basketball is taking place here vs the million and one LeChoke, #greatestnever reactionary bullshyt that goes on on in the other threads.

The Spurs offense is just brutal and it is easy to see why Pop is such a great coach

Yeah you get a nice thread when people know what they are talking about intelligently it doesnt happen often but when it does you are reminded why you joined these forums in the first place

 

[Roid Jones]

this thread is a problem with bball discussions on this forum

No one is allowing Green to get open looks, they are well crafted plays where Green is finding open pockets.

His movement off the ball is what is getting him looks.

The Spurs are a team where all 5 guys can get points.

bu bu bu on NBA 2K13, I put Bron on Green and locked him down.

 

[calh45]

I disagree with calling the Heat undisciplined on defense. They play the passing lanes and over-help because they lack size & because theyre fukking great at it, but their rotations are way too sharp (usually) to call em undisciplined. They simply ran into a coach and an offense that can counter it.

Its not like Green is just spotting up and taking 3's either, he's constantly on the move along with 4 other players on the court. Unless you want the defender to guard him like a cornerback its gonna be tough to stick with him

It's game 5. Danny Green been burning the damn net off the rim and no matter what you think of Spo and his coaching staff they ain't dumb enough to keep a scheme going that involves leaving the best 3 point shooter in the history of the NBA finals wide ass open.

I'd be willing to bet it started off as scheme and during the season Spo allowed them to take chances to get fast break points because it was working. Now that he needs them to stay put and not fly all over the court they can't stop. He can't put that genie back in the bottle. Spo should just put Ray on Green. He's experienced enough to not leave his ass and let the Spurs play the Heat 4 on 4.

 

[rapbeats]

Green and Neal are a major problem in this series. They have to get a man on Green at all times and let Lebron sit on Parker on the D at all times. You cant have Parker blow past players for layups all game. If he isnt doing that the ball is going to an open Green. Take Green out and Parker will have to go to the rim all game long and i doubt he has the energy to keep doing that with that hamstring.

Green gets himself open but all you need is a body that will stay close and not leave any catching space open. Heat has better athletes overall and they need to start using that. Thats how Spurs slowed down a better shooter in Steph Curry.

The main reason why Lebron seems to not go off in these games is that he guards way too many Spurs players leaving him tired. He had to catch his breath even when the Heat were attacking: Look at a lot of plays when Wade was handling the ball, Lebron wasn't that involved in the plays because he was back at the arc catching his breath while the Heat offense went 4 against 5.

Btw, Parker commits an offensive foul every single time he drives. He uses his extended hand to block off the defender. I'm pretty sure that's not allowed.

you are correct about everything you've stated on top of TP and that push off. he's been doing it for years when guys cut him off. he use to do it to fisher when spurs vs lakers was going down. but fisher is a little guy. LBJ isnt(when hes guarding tp). neither is chalmers for a pg.

so they wont get that call often. in addition if you want to play fair. LBJ does the exact same push off. but he's so much bigger he runs thru people like a football player when he does it. but they dont hit lbj with the offensive fouls like they should. i mean how many times in this series have we seen green and lenard completely get in front of lbj on a fast break or a drive and watch LBJ run them over for a foul on them or a no call.

 

[NV-ME]

the fallacy that green is JUST standing around getting good looks says alot about people who claim theyre watching these games. he's running off screens, getting himself open. the heat have made efforts to slow him down. theyve had wade, battier and bron on him and he still gets his shot off, whether its half court or in transition. 7 of them joints are contested too. he's just on right now, but lets not sit here and say "oh, he's just wide open all the time."

 

[rapbeats]

Part of this is how undisciplined the Heat are on defense though. Bron & Wade take chances left and right trying to get steals for fast breaks. Chalmers does the same. They have bad habits that the Spurs are built to exploit. They did this type of D ALL SEASON and now they gotta play disciplined and it's fukking them.

They interviewed one of the coaches about why it happens and he basically said they aren't paying attention on the court. Honestly, if I was Spo I'd put Ray on Green. He seems like he'd be the only one with good enough sense to not leave him so he could try to steal a pass

when you're a small team full of quick athletic guys. you are supposed to gamble(trap, press) and go for steals.

because you are not strong enough downlow to stop guys from punking you.

its come back to haunt them that they dont have a true bigman. that their team is INCOMPLETE. i've said this before. but since they were so athletic yall wouldnt listen.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

bronze old cav teammate bout to win that finals MVP


bronze needs more help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LurkMoar]

the fallacy that green is JUST standing around getting good looks says alot about people who claim theyre watching these games. he's running off screens, getting himself open. the heat have made efforts to slow him down. theyve had wade, battier and bron on him and he still gets his shot off, whether its half court or in transition. 7 of them joints are contested too. he's just on right now, but lets not sit here and say "oh, he's just wide open all the time."

I watched the game bruh all I'm saying is you MUST run green of the three point line. Let tony parker drive every time, is he going to score 60? duncan has not even been scoring all that much.


You got to bite the bullet on this one and lock down on the three point shooters

 

[calh45]

when you're a small team full of quick athletic guys. you are supposed to gamble(trap, press) and go for steals.

because you are not strong enough downlow to stop guys from punking you.

its come back to haunt them that they dont have a true bigman. that their team is INCOMPLETE. i've said this before. but since they were so athletic yall wouldnt listen.

I get the philosophy behind playing small team defense, but the Spurs ain't exactly overflowing with brutes. Timmy is older now and Splitter is competent, but not dominating. They ain't losing to the Spurs because they're getting beasted on down low. That worked against the Pacers and would against the Grizz, but the Spurs are an outside oriented team. Tony Parker been shooting jumpers more than he's been getting to the hoop.