The fact Killer Mike's rules of how Black America can save itself is actually controversial speaks volumes.

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We go through this every year and somehow naive and historically oblivious people like Mike and others think they've stumbled upon the greatest discovery of all time for Black Americans.

That they just need to do what every other group in the US does to build wealth.

Which is like saying if you're in the middle of the Sahara desert you just need to drink plenty of water and stay in the shade. Not realizing that you need to get out of the desert to begin with. Not try to survive in an inherently hostile environment. :francis:

Well the US is overwhelmingly hostile territory for Black people and it always has been and they're never going to be treated like neutral immigrants who get to build without being undermined.

Like Jewish people, Koreans, Indian-Americans, Chinese, Japanese, etc...
 

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I remember I said in a thread that Black would have marry the first woman they got pregnant and not drive a luxury car and have life insurance policies among some other things and dudes got legit offended.

Killer Mikes advice is not wrong per se BUT we also need to press the gov't on reparations still and fight against systematic racism because these things also have a major impact on Blacl prosperity and this is where I do take some umbrage with what he said.
 

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I saw F.D Signifier talking about this, and I disagreed with his take about calling this "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" talk.

Yeah capitalism sucks, but a Socialist Revolution is not happening tomorrow. The next Vladimir Lenin is not emerging any time soon. Black people have to exist and find ways to live comfortably in the society and economic system they currently live in right now.

Saying things like black people need to go to school, learn skills that are valuable to the market, live below their means, and find alternative streams of revenue is not simping for capitalism, but just the basis for what should be the standard in black households, because we're at the bottom of society economically. We can figure out the rest simultaneously or later.
The point here is not that people shouldn't do the things he said, the point is that this absolutely not the way to "solve our own problems".
 

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Nothing wrong with his advice at all—its good advice especially to be preached to high schoolers, preventing them from making life altering mistakes and furthering their education, or getting a trade.

only tidbit that I would say to counter his advice is that we’re in times where it may be difficult for black folks mostly in the working class to live under their means. The COL has gotten pretty outrageous—everything from groceries, housing, cars, utilities, etc. even white Americans married or single are struggling. Food pantries are struggling to keep up with the demand (I only know because of my job and a program my company supports).

When people arent getting wages that have been adjusted to match up to a higher COL, yet they still need to take care of the bare necessities to survive and live that’s often when they’re living paycheck to paycheck. All it takes is an emergency and they’re fukked. Yet that’s the reality for a lot of people these days. Living under your means isn’t as practical for those people.

Sadly, even down here in the south, housing is expensive. I was getting my locs retwisted this morning and the woman was telling me that she is now separated from her cheating husband, and instead of keeping the house and kicking him out, she moved out into a small apartment. It was intentional.

She didn’t want to have a space big enough for any of her adult kids to be able to come live with her. She mentioned that her 30 year old, 28 year old and 24 year old sons had all moved back into the house with her ex husband. They had nowhere else to go and can’t afford their own spots.

Things are only going to continue getting more expensive.
 
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His advice is solid if u look at our communities now…

How many black women have kids out of wedlock? Damn near 73%

How many black women are married? Only a quarter…. 25% compared to Hispanics at 44%, whites women close to 60% and Asian women at 65%

How many black men and black women are living beyond are means? A ton…. U got blacks quick to run out of the house and get they own apartment and car and can’t afford neither… but hey I’m living on my own or with 3 roommates to share rent.. come here to LA..

Black women and men need to learn that if she makes 45/50/60, he makes 60/70k a year or vice versa and then once u make sure your debt isn’t too much, get married, have kids, don’t buy a house that’s too much and get life insurance put in place for your kids , life would be much better a little..

But everyone in the community is all about self and being a boss bytch, not needing a man, I could do bad by myself or I don’t need a woman because I can still at 50 years old pull a 30 year old or 25 year old and be good …. Stop the bullshyt and wake up u fukking Goofies and Cosby kids
 

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What he said is foundational and not controversial. My man Ian Rowe has a whole book out called "Agency" that deals with the whole shyt.



The family unit is the backbone of every community. It's not like nikkas weren't warned from back in the 50's and 60's of the consequences of these white liberals and their pet negros destroying the black family.

What my man Ian Rowe and Killer Mike said is nothing new. It's not a guarantee of success but it's at least giving you more favorable odds as opposed to sitting around waiting for reparations or white people solving black folks problems.


I would've said this is conspiracy but we absolutely have factions of the black community trying to normalize a breakdown of the nuclear family.



This is a video thread trying to normalize the dysfunction.



And the responses...







I use to take umbrage with many white people characterizing all black politics and by extension all black people as "leftist", because I believed that black people were more socially conservative. But it looks like we're moving more into that direction than I realized.
 

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I would've said this is conspiracy but we absolutely have factions of the black community trying to normalize a breakdown of the nuclear family.



This is a video thread trying to normalize the dysfunction.



And the responses...







I use to take umbrage with many white people characterizing all black politics and by extension all black people as "leftist", because I believed that black people were more socially conservative. But it looks like we're moving more into that direction than I realized.

these people are stupid

are they not seeing how the single mother Amazon "family" is messing with this community in real time? Do they not see other communities got whole families away from white people?
 

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@CarmelBarbie why didn't she want any of her adult kids to live with her anymore?
I didn’t ask but I’m assuming its because they’re grown, she’s tired and she wants her own space. :yeshrug: Her 18 year old—which is her last child—is off to college next year. She thought all her kids were finally out of the house, only to find out that her older ones are moving back. :martin:
 
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