The fact Killer Mike's rules of how Black America can save itself is actually controversial speaks volumes.

[Luke Cage]

I'm gonna bump this thread every 5 years until ya'll can prove this was effective in any way.

 

[Marc Spector]

What FD never seems to acknowledge is that "voting for the right candidate" won't liberate folks either.

The thing that kills me about most of these fake socialists/communists/progressives/liberals - is that they could spend their time talking about worker cooperatives and building democratic work places - especially the black ones. They prefer intersectionality, they prefer to watch old movies from a Black Feminist perspective, they prefer to talk about US imperialism.

What they don't prefer is talking about solutions.
They don't prefer taking action.

The Basque Ethnic minority pooled their resources post Spanish Civil War, and created a factory, which created more factories, more distribution, more warehouses, and then schools, banks, insurance and health systems.

Mondragon is a huge socialist success story.

Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you talk about Black people doing this, you're an out of touch person that worships capitalism.

These people are literally ops, and they've been educated and often financed by the same people that fund the insane Black right wingers.

i will push back a little.

I watch FD and another breh named lil bill who are both very vocally Socialist leaning. While yes, a huge undertone of their message is pro intersectional, they dont really trumpet "voting is our main weapon" as an ethos. A lot of the solutions they do offer is simply getting out there and mobilizing in the form of activism, voting, and collectivism.

Additionally, FD made it a point this video to say that he does not see his material as a call to action but rather giving you the info that you dont get from anywhere else and making. Wouldnt be opposed to saying thats a cop out but hey i feel i can only judge the man on his words and actions

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Aggregate yes, if they are using median household wealth the distortion is a lot less and there is still a gap there.


Let me be clear. Having a good job and degree is necessary to keep the wealth gap from increasing since without education our productivity lags and we have a bigger wealth gap.

HOWEVER, if you have $200k of student loan and car debt, you can be a nice educated two-parent family with negative net assets and contributing nada to closing the wealth gap. A family with a plumber dad and a wife that works in a warehouse with no debt and ample savings to invest are closing the wealth gap. There are a lot of factors at play. I wouldn't be shocked if part of the issue is educated Black folks have some of the highest student debt of anyone because our families are overall less financially able to just pay for college out of pocket.

A lot of wealth White folks had was acquired on the cheap decades ago and passed down. Black people are trying to catch up at a time when household debt and asset prices are at historic peaks. So having a good job and education is not by itself enough. I would say its close to necessary though.

Student loan debt is a huge over exaggeration, especially if you get the right degree. There's a lot of grants and scholarships that nobody applies for. My professor brought this up every year.

Without an education or skilled trade, closing the wealth gap is that much harder. Why would you subject yourself to warehouse work you can be fired from anytime, when you can get an office job or get into a good union, both with full blown benefits.

 

[DrBanneker]

Student loan debt is a huge over exaggeration, especially if you get the right degree. There's a lot of grants and scholarships that nobody applies for. My professor brought this up every year.

Without an education or skilled trade, closing the wealth gap is that much harder. Why would you subject yourself to warehouse work you can be fired from anytime, when you can get an office job or get into a good union, both with full blown benefits.

No argument here. My only point is that "higher education will close the wealth gap by itself" is not necessarily true. I believe you need a trade if you don't have higher education but remember, Black folks have gone from less than 5% college educated to 20+% over 50 years and there has not been a huge reduction in the wealth gap.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I'm gonna bump this thread every 5 years until ya'll can prove this was effective in any way.

Look at people with a household income of $100k+

Look at people with a household income of $40k

Outside of living standards what differences do you notice? The later most likely has no education, single parent, isn't married, bad credit and has kids they can't afford. Is that the wrong assumption?


Why do y'all continue to act dumb?? shyt is self harm to the nth degree.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Its an observation,
people acting like this is activism

Who in here is saying that it’s activism?

 

[Mowgli]

The people who have a problem with this are basically saying just wait for a hug from the white man before you get your house in order

 

[Luke Cage]

Look at people with a household income of $100k+

Look at people with a household income of $40k

Outside of living standards what differences do you notice? The later most likely has no education, single parent, isn't married, bad credit and has kids they can't afford. Is that the wrong assumption?


Why do y'all continue to act dumb?? shyt is self harm to the nth degree.

More observations i don't disagree with. yet still no plan of action.

 

[WIA20XX]

I watch FD and another breh named lil bill who are both very vocally Socialist leaning. While yes, a huge undertone of their message is pro intersectional, they dont really trumpet "voting is our main weapon" as an ethos. A lot of the solutions they do offer is simply getting out there and mobilizing in the form of activism, voting, and collectivism.

Additionally, FD made it a point this video to say that he does not see his material as a call to action but rather giving you the info that you dont get from anywhere else and making. Wouldnt be opposed to saying thats a cop out but hey i feel i can only judge the man on his words and actions

Let it be known, I don't like lil bill either - he's one of them "shares too much about his personal life" type dudes that this entire Bread Tube thing creates. They took this idea of the "personal is the political" WAY TOO FAR. Self-Care ass dudes....

Their brand of so-called "direct action" - which is "organizing" and "mobilizing" and "raising awareness" - is one step removed from jawboning civic and business leaders to enact policies to make things better.

Y'all make it better.
We're not going to try to better our own situation, because it's pointless. See Racism, Capitalism, Sexism, Homophobia, Xenophobia.....

And the "giving you information" is a COP OUT.

That "I don't have all the answers" is just like Tucker Carlson saying "He's just asking questions".

These people are parasites and distractions.

What's the point of news you can use, if they don't use it, and don't show others how to use it?

At least John Oliver sometimes takes direct action whenever he goes off on his rants.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

No argument here. My only point is that "higher education will close the wealth gap by itself" is not necessarily true. I believe you need a trade if you don't have higher education but remember, Black folks have gone from less than 5% college educated to 20+% over 50 years and there has not been a huge reduction in the wealth gap.

Literally nobody said that. Killer Mike listed 5 things and any reasonable black man would agree with what he said in regards to closing the gap.

-Get an Education or trade
-Live below means AKA use money for investments
-Don't have kids out of wedlock
-Get Married.

Somebody tell me, what did he say wrong??

 

[Prodyson]

Real change comes from actual literal change, things that affect a large group of people on a large scale.

Expecting each individual to suddenly be Russel Simmons on their own, just off the strength of good advice is a far less realistic approach towards real change on a wide scale.

Providing legislation without also adjusting the mindset of the people doesn’t solve the problem. If people still operate with a consumer mindset, even reparations won’t have the grand effect that you hope. The money will be there for a couple generations, a handful of people will thrive, and the rest will fall back into the fray. And that reparations money will end up back into the hands of the top 1% and the wealth gap will continue to grow.

 

[ObsidianDev]

What FD never seems to acknowledge is that "voting for the right candidate" won't liberate folks either.

The thing that kills me about most of these fake socialists/communists/progressives/liberals - is that they could spend their time talking about worker cooperatives and building democratic work places - especially the black ones. They prefer intersectionality, they prefer to watch old movies from a Black Feminist perspective, they prefer to talk about US imperialism.

What they don't prefer is talking about solutions.
They don't prefer taking action.

The Basque Ethnic minority pooled their resources post Spanish Civil War, and created a factory, which created more factories, more distribution, more warehouses, and then schools, banks, insurance and health systems.

Mondragon is a huge socialist success story.

Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you talk about Black people doing this, you're an out of touch person that worships capitalism.

These people are literally ops, and they've been educated and often financed by the same people that fund the insane Black right wingers.

This shyt right here is what black-pilled me on politics post-2020.

During the primaries I supported Bernie Sanders HEAVILY; making sure to catch all of his campaign speeches when they were livestreamed on YouTube, read articles that reported on him everyday, and rooted for him during the debates.

After all the support that I saw for him online amongst people my age and younger on social media, I thought "Oh shyt, he actually has a chance this time ".

But wtf happened?

These same people didn't bother to fukkING VOTE.

Rather than stand in line for a couple hours to effect real change, these idiots couldn't do more than post memes.

After Bernie's eventual defeat, those same people simply resumed to their daily routines of hopping on Twitter, r/socialism, r/communism, and Twitch to do nothing but complain and virtue signal.

That shyt really soured me on left-wing politics, and this is coming from someone who's left-wing (economically).

The people who constantly harp about revolutionary change at the systemic level these days are just bloviating -- real change begins when the puppets gain sentience, not when the puppet master simply gets swapped out for another.

 

[Consigliere]

Nothing wrong with his take.
Will it fix everything? No.

Will it put folks in a better position to advocate for the change they want? Absolutely.

Incremental individual change on a community wide level can and will lead to expanding the political power that’s needed for a sweeping response to structural issues.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Black people don’t have the luxury to think this way. What Mike is advocating is easily achievable.

Black people don't have the luxury of being paid a liveable wage either

 

[ObsidianDev]

Providing legislation without also adjusting the mindset of the people doesn’t solve the problem. If people still operate with a consumer mindset, even reparations won’t have the grand effect that you hope. The money will be there for a couple generations, a handful of people will thrive, and the rest will fall back into the fray. And that reparations money will end up back into the hands of the top 1% and the wealth gap will continue to grow.

This is something I've realized as well

With the current state that Black America's in culturally, I fear that us getting reparations anytime soon would play out just like that Chappelle's Show skit, without the slightest tinge of irony.