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The only thing I got from this video is that we didn't appreciate Watch Dogs 1, despite it's flaws, the game actually was revolutionary and justified the big budget for the game (E3 bait and switch and all).
The Downfall of Triple A Gaming
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The only thing I got from this video is that we didn't appreciate Watch Dogs 1, despite it's flaws, the game actually was revolutionary and justified the big budget for the game (E3 bait and switch and all).
Didn't watch it but the downfall of AAA gaming is the obsession with more, more, more. Making every game open world with 1,000 sidequests and 100+ hours of content.
There is PLENTY of space for linear experiences than top out at 20 hours but it felt like they listened to message board fanatics who would scoff at 15 hour games. The general public in the real world doesn't have time for endless marathon adventures and is perfectly happy with a tight, linear experience.
Linear games are gonna be much cheaper to produce as well.
Also, fun is secondary to a lot of video games nowadays while nickel and diming customers is the driving force (think 2K, Madden, etc.)
There is PLENTY of space for linear experiences than top out at 20 hours but it felt like they listened to message board fanatics who would scoff at 15 hour games. The general public in the real world doesn't have time for endless marathon adventures and is perfectly happy with a tight, linear experience.
Linear games are gonna be much cheaper to produce as well.
Also, fun is secondary to a lot of video games nowadays while nickel and diming customers is the driving force (think 2K, Madden, etc.)
Piff Perkins
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Maximize profits, cut costs (by cutting corners), and let someone in a suit make all of the decisions instead of developers. That's not just gaming, it's streaming (Netflix/Amazon/etc), Hollywood films, music, etc. Everything is run by VC flunkies who are either going to produce something hyper successful or something that's such a disaster that the immediate next objective is crafting the most attractive debt package for another corporation/company to purchase.
I can at least understand the desperation and impatience at play when it comes to streaming, since the studios are bleeding money. But I just read that Hogwarts Legacy sold 22 million copies and the studio is now being tasked with making live service games, because that's what makes money. But...you just sold 22 million copies. The blueprint for more money is clear: do an expansion/DLC, re-release the game on the upcoming next gen consoles, and then start working on a sequel. But that's not good enough because...Fortnite. So everyone has to fail chasing that dream because someone in a suit said it's the only way to sustain profitability.
Yes, out of touch, entitled suits are running these companies instead of actual gamers. There's a leadership vacuum across every aspect of society. When it comes to gaming, it is profound.
Baldur's Gate was made by gamers who wanted to make the best possible game and it's been a massive success. But no suits could claim credit for it so they'd rather chase more GAAS garbage in the hopes of making the next Fortnite instead of empowering people to make the best games possible.
Think of how bad Phil Spencer has botched the XBox brand the last decade and his job is still safe and secure. Microsoft is a distant third behind Sony and Nintendo, with next to no exclusives, no internal studio growth and a moneypit in Gamepass.
All he's done is spend an ungodly amount of money buying studios, laying people off, not developing anything IP-wise under his watch, paid so much money giving games away on Gamepass that it's only a matter of time before their few valuable IPs wind up on Sony's system.
The guy literally doesn't have a single accomplishment as the chief of XBox and yet there he is, still running the brand with zero threat of his job.
He is the epitome of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
All he's done is spend an ungodly amount of money buying studios, laying people off, not developing anything IP-wise under his watch, paid so much money giving games away on Gamepass that it's only a matter of time before their few valuable IPs wind up on Sony's system.
The guy literally doesn't have a single accomplishment as the chief of XBox and yet there he is, still running the brand with zero threat of his job.
He is the epitome of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
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Kingshango
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Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League is a game that sums up everything wrong with AAA gaming.
Late stage capitalism is the answer to what will kill AAA games. Greed and the desire to make more money and be less creative.
BG3 isn’t an example of how to do it “right”
It was just as bloated if not more so than most AAA games.
They were able to sell their game in “early access” for years and they had big financial backing from the “suits” just like every other game.
BG3 is an example of the risk and costs that have been killing devs. They just got lucky and hit. Publishers/investors don’t want to take that 10 year 300 million chance unless it’s tied to a sure fire IP or situation. And even then it’s a hard ask because prices are going up but the audience is not growing.
You got some of this mixed up.
The dev that made harry potter isn’t being tasked with GAAS. The publisher/owner of the IP said they would be concentrating on GAAS going forward.
Yes HP was a great success, but WB only has one HP. Can’t just assume that any big game with great investment is gonna be a success like HP. I’m sure there will be a sequel/dlc etc for the game. But they can’t run their business off of one single player game that takes 5-8 years and 300 mill to develop. Gotta tap in to some revolving money to stabilize the company or they can’t make those big games anyway.
Forum narratives are based on feelings not facts.Think of how bad Phil Spencer has botched the XBox brand the last decade and his job is still safe and secure. Microsoft is a distant third behind Sony and Nintendo, with next to no exclusives, no internal studio growth and a moneypit in Gamepass.
All he's done is spent and ungodly amount of money buying studios, laying people off, not developing anything IP-wise under his watch, paid so much money giving games away on Gamepass that it's only a matter of time before their few valuable IPs wind up on Sony's system.
The guy literally doesn't have a single accomplishment as the chief of XBox and yet there he is, still running the brand with zero threat of his job.
He is the epitome of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
Phil has been promoted and still has his job cause he’s turned xbox into probably the biggest and healthiest company in gaming.
What they’ve done may not fit the mold of forum warrior sensibilities. But xbox gaming has cracked the code for the future and everyone else is scrambling to figure out what their future looks like.
Think of how bad Phil Spencer has botched the XBox brand the last decade and his job is still safe and secure. Microsoft is a distant third behind Sony and Nintendo, with next to no exclusives, no internal studio growth and a moneypit in Gamepass.
All he's done is spent and ungodly amount of money buying studios, laying people off, not developing anything IP-wise under his watch, paid so much money giving games away on Gamepass that it's only a matter of time before their few valuable IPs wind up on Sony's system.
The guy literally doesn't have a single accomplishment as the chief of XBox and yet there he is, still running the brand with zero threat of his job.
He is the epitome of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
Think of how bad Phil Spencer has botched the XBox brand the last decade and his job is still safe and secure. Microsoft is a distant third behind Sony and Nintendo, with next to no exclusives, no internal studio growth and a moneypit in Gamepass.
All he's done is spent and ungodly amount of money buying studios, laying people off, not developing anything IP-wise under his watch, paid so much money giving games away on Gamepass that it's only a matter of time before their few valuable IPs wind up on Sony's system.
The guy literally doesn't have a single accomplishment as the chief of XBox and yet there he is, still running the brand with zero threat of his job.
He is the epitome of what's wrong with the gaming industry.
I’ll happily take shorter and still focused on fun games. I don’t need too many damn cut scenes and overly done realism in the game mechanics if these games are going to take forever to develop
Everyone except Playstation and Nintendo
ALonelyDad
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Just have to make it shorter, we will also see how much AI helps. Been seeing them push that narrative a lot recently.
All these execs pro AI until it's their job being eliminated