The Deuce TV Series - (David Simon/1970's Porn Drama)
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OGBIGBOY187
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Any of you brehs wanna look out and hook me up with a HBO login?
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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Was the "Pilot" on HBOGO the first two episodes? It's nearly 90 minutes long. Was the episode that aired Sunday that long?
that was the pilot/episode 1
all the reviews gave a headsup that it was basically a movie
i dont know what it is
70s NY setting
the Wire DNA
the sexploatation/blackploation vibe
or the great acting/cinematography/attention to period details
but I am all in on this show and the only show that is must watch on tv right now
Damn good first ep. I'm in.
It's gonna be tough watching Maggie Gyllenhaal pulling tricks. But hey, if I could handle her in The Honorable Woman - dope ass mini series that never gets mentioned for some reason btw - I think I can cope with her on this. I just hope we don't have to see her naked again
@Nature Boy Ric Flair this gonna be WOOO status breh
Ages like fine wine
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Pimp Cafe 
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Eh, not feeling it. 
Just get a free trial to HBO nowAny of you brehs wanna look out and hook me up with a HBO login?
I doubt I watch any more of this, on a significant level. Cliched, predictable, 70's costume drama, the whole thing comes off as sleazy, in more ways than obviously intended. I am not watching James Franco play two people, that's ridiculous. Maggie Gyllenal's performance is very good, but she's a great actress, and really all the acting is good. Obviously, it's an HBO show, so the production value is apparent, but it all seems like a recreation of the 70's, and a typical glorified one, rather than a real attempt to show Times Square during that time.
Cliches:
Hooker with ambition and talent, makes it out of the streets
James Franco, the tough, talented, loser, with ambition and talent (makes it out of the streets)
The sexually confident, daring gorgeous college student
The smooth talking, well dressed, flashy black pimps who are at heart ruthless, vicious men
The young hooker who learns the game and gets colder from it
The unfaithful wife to one of Frano's characters
The show's about porn, but it just comes off as porn to me. I'm tired of these kinds of shows from HBO. Something like Insecure is so much more interesting, new, and sharp.
Not to mention, the actual drama of producer Marc Henry Johnson's own involvement in an overdose death, a doctor who overdosed in his company, with her panties in her purse. He was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison.
Cliches:
Hooker with ambition and talent, makes it out of the streets
James Franco, the tough, talented, loser, with ambition and talent (makes it out of the streets)
The sexually confident, daring gorgeous college student
The smooth talking, well dressed, flashy black pimps who are at heart ruthless, vicious men
The young hooker who learns the game and gets colder from it
The unfaithful wife to one of Frano's characters
The show's about porn, but it just comes off as porn to me. I'm tired of these kinds of shows from HBO. Something like Insecure is so much more interesting, new, and sharp.
Not to mention, the actual drama of producer Marc Henry Johnson's own involvement in an overdose death, a doctor who overdosed in his company, with her panties in her purse. He was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison.
These aren't really clichés so to speak. They're characters that we've seen before in other stories, which is fine because we've seen stories about midtown Manhattan in the 70's. Far too early after one damn episode to know if they are clichés or not. I mean, there were a bunch of characters that looked like clichés after the Wire pilot and they evolved into anything but.
And it's supposed to be incredibly sleazy. That's was Times Square was before Disney arrived and cleaned the place up.
You're talking about two things here. Character tropes and character archs. Both of them are necessary to make a story work. Without it you have some art house flick with no words or really random like The Tree of Life or The Lobster. And even those two movies (which I liked both) were filled with character tropes and ended exactly how one would guess.
Character tropes. Good writers will use them and often subvert them. It works because people like the familiar. And subverting them brings surprises. Ask yourself why The Wire was so amazing? The obvious answer is because it was authentic. It came off authentic because it was familiar. If we can relate to the characters even on an emotional level the movie/show usually has us by the balls. We've seen those guys before or we've heard about them. On movies. In our neighborhoods. In music. In books. We know them. That's why it came off authentic. Even Omar being gay was a character trope subversion. Here's this tough guy. Let's subvert his manhood because that's what everyone is expecting. Every time he's on screen you're going to love him for all the cliche'd bad ass shyt and you're going to feel uncomfortable for the rest.
The archs. First they were here. And now they are there. I think you're being presumptuous on a lot of them. I bet the writers have a few surprises for us. Like I don't think it's going to be as peachy and rosy for the young hooker as you're making it seem. If David Simon has taught us anything is that it never is
Look what happened to Omar in The Wire. Simon wanted to teach us a lesson that as big and likeable as you are...the streets are the streets and just like that you could be gone. And it's not always dying in a big way. How about Chris? We all expected him to make it off the streets. We were all rooting for Avon. Stringer got what he deserved. So that wasn't subverted. Did you expect Marlo to become a good person or die? Another surprise
Simon knows what he's doing.
Nothing is original. Not one single idea. Not one single character. Anywhere. Ever. That's because storytelling extends back to the dawn of man.
What's a good example of a show that does the things that The Deuce fails at well? I bet whatever show you name I'll give you examples of 10000 borrowed stories and character tropes.
I wasn't around during the 70s. So I can't say whether the show is forcing the 70s on us. Maybe it looked like that? Maybe it didn't? The sets/redecorated locations look amazing though.
I like the show. Pilots are usually slow because they have to establish the story lines. By episode 3 or 4 all characters and storylines will be introduced and we should really get going.
Edit: Had too big of a coffee. So wrote a million random ideas on the page
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very dope first ep, the 90 minutes went fast
can't wait til tomoro
can't wait til tomoro
Abdi
All Star
You're talking about two things here. Character tropes and character archs. Both of them are necessary to make a story work. Without it you have some art house flick with no words or really random like The Tree of Life or The Lobster. And even those two movies (which I liked both) were filled with character tropes and ended exactly how one would guess.
Character tropes. Good writers will use them and often subvert them. It works because people like the familiar. And subverting them brings surprises. Ask yourself why The Wire was so amazing? The obvious answer is because it was authentic. It came off authentic because it was familiar. If we can relate to the characters even on an emotional level the movie/show usually has us by the balls. We've seen those guys before or we've heard about them. On movies. In our neighborhoods. In music. In books. We know them. That's why it came off authentic. Even Omar being gay was a character trope subversion. Here's this tough guy. Let's subvert his manhood because that's what everyone is expecting. Every time he's on screen you're going to love him for all the cliche'd bad ass shyt and you're going to feel uncomfortable for the rest.
The archs. First they were here. And now they are there. I think you're being presumptuous on a lot of them. I bet the writers have a few surprises for us. Like I don't think it's going to be as peachy and rosy for the young hooker as you're making it seem. If David Simon has taught us anything is that it never is
Look what happened to Omar in The Wire. Simon wanted to teach us a lesson that as big and likeable as you are...the streets are the streets and just like that you could be gone. And it's not always dying in a big way. How about Chris? We all expected him to make it off the streets. We were all rooting for Avon. Stringer got what he deserved. So that wasn't subverted. Did you expect Marlo to become a good person or die? Another surprise
Simon knows what he's doing.
Nothing is original. Not one single idea. Not one single character. Anywhere. Ever. That's because storytelling extends back to the dawn of man.
What's a good example of a show that does the things that The Deuce fails at well? I bet whatever show you name I'll give you examples of 10000 borrowed stories and character tropes.
I wasn't around during the 70s. So I can't say whether the show is forcing the 70s on us. Maybe it looked like that? Maybe it didn't? The sets/redecorated locations look amazing though.
I like the show. Pilots are usually slow because they have to establish the story lines. By episode 3 or 4 all characters and storylines will be introduced and we should really get going.
Edit: Had too big of a coffee. So wrote a million random ideas on the page
Soon as reps are back I got you