The daughters of the Slave Trade

[Wiseborn]

I'm posting this because I breh wanted to know who were the Black people involved in the Altlantic Slave trade if was a combination of cacs and their Black wives and their children.

the enslavers made a buffer class of confused negroes.

They were called different names by different europeans but they all did the same thing>

The french called them Signare

The portuguese called the Nhara

I call them sellouts

Signares were black and mulatto Senegalease women who have an influence via their marriage with European men and their patrimony. These women of color managed to gain some individual assets, status, and power in the hierarchies of the Atlantic slave trade.[1]

There was a Portuguese equivalent, referred to as Nhara, a name for Luso-African businesswomen who played an important part as business agents through their connections with both Portuguese and African populations.[2] There was also an English language equivalent of women of mixed African and British or American descent with the same position, such as Betsy Heard, Mary Faber, and Elizabeth Frazer Skelton.

Signare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just making this thread to highlight the complicity of all people in the slave trade but I still can't find that traitoress bedwench who came to america to observe Black people in chains while she keekkee/ed with the crackers.

 

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that traitoress bedwench who came to america to observe Black people in chains while she keekkee/ed with the crackers.

Fenda Lawrence?

 

[Wiseborn]

Fenda Lawrence?

Actually I think it was a woman who came ove in the 1830's but the fact that there was another is wild,

Fenda Lawrence (1742[1] – after 1780), was an African slave trader who operated in the Saloum town of Kaur. In 1772, she visited the Thirteen Colonies as a free black woman for both tourism and to trade.

Fenda Lawrence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

People talk about the slave trade as if it happened during the days of Achilles and there are no concrete documents, monuments etc of people involved. There are numerous books written in real time by europeans, arabs and Africans detailing the trade in detail, its just that in general, African and black people in general seem not to be great fans of history.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

People talk about the slave trade as if it happened during the days of Achilles and there are no concrete documents, monuments etc of people involved. There are numerous books written in real time by europeans, arabs and Africans detailing the trade in detail, its just that in general, African and black people in general seem not to be great fans of history.

History ain't popular across the board.

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

History ain't popular across the board.

Even if it isn't these Europeans sure do make it easily accessible to their children via the media they own, documentaries, travel docs, etc. Most of the things spoken of in the root forum on this website very few people of African descent can claim to know.

 

[BlackMajik]

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Even if it isn't these Europeans sure do make it easily accessible to their children via the media they own, documentaries, travel docs, etc. Most of the things spoken of in the root forum on this website very few people of African descent can claim to know.

Could you really blame anybody for wanting to know they ancestors were treated less than dirt, rapped, dehumanized, babies fed to alligators etc.

and these Europeans is doing a lot of leg work, the average euro-cac American or not is fundamentally fukking stupid when it comes to history.

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

Could you really blame anybody for wanting to know they ancestors were treated less than dirt, rapped, dehumanized, babies fed to alligators etc.

and these Europeans is doing a lot of leg work, the average euro-cac American or not is fundamentally fukking stupid when it comes to history.

Hey, I'm just saying, as an African who is a great fan of history, if it wasn't for my school syllabus being thorough, I would have very minimal knowledge of history of Africans both here and in the diaspora. In visual media, which is what is mostly consumed by the youth, I got to learn a lot about european history than I did my own. This rings true for every black child in the world as well.

 

[teeswinger]

People talk about the slave trade as if it happened during the days of Achilles and there are no concrete documents, monuments etc of people involved. There are numerous books written in real time by europeans, arabs and Africans detailing the trade in detail, its just that in general, African and black people in general seem not to be great fans of history.

Any book recommendations?

 

[Gloxina]

Man what a tough thing to sit and think about. Kings in other nations were selling their fellow Africans, too.

But I guess when ppl discuss this topic, we are told that they didn’t see them as fellow brothers and sisters because they may have been from opposing tribes and these were people they had conquered or captured? Ionno. It definitely makes you sad when you delve into the history of the slave trade.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/an-african-country-reckons-with-its-history-of-selling-slaves/2018/01/29/5234f5aa-ff9a-11e7-86b9-8908743c79dd_story.html

My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader

African intellectuals tend to blame the West for the slave trade, but I knew that white traders couldn’t have loaded their ships without help from Africans like my great-grandfather.

www.newyorker.com

 

[GoPinheiro]

I'm posting this because I breh wanted to know who were the Black people involved in the Altlantic Slave trade if was a combination of cacs and their Black wives and their children.

the enslavers made a buffer class of confused negroes.

They were called different names by different europeans but they all did the same thing>

The french called them Signare

The portuguese called the Nhara

I call them sellouts

Signares were black and mulatto Senegalease women who have an influence via their marriage with European men and their patrimony. These women of color managed to gain some individual assets, status, and power in the hierarchies of the Atlantic slave trade.[1]

There was a Portuguese equivalent, referred to as Nhara, a name for Luso-African businesswomen who played an important part as business agents through their connections with both Portuguese and African populations.[2] There was also an English language equivalent of women of mixed African and British or American descent with the same position, such as Betsy Heard, Mary Faber, and Elizabeth Frazer Skelton.

Signare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just making this thread to highlight the complicity of all people in the slave trade but I still can't find that traitoress bedwench who came to america to observe Black people in chains while she keekkee/ed with the crackers.

This makes zero sense, unless you tend to romanticize/or try to turn everything into an epic story due to Hollywood influence.

Do some of you struggle with looking at the bigger picture when analyzing history? It seems like you tend to focus on outcasts and try to portray them as the norm, in order to avoid dealing with reality. These mixed people lived under native rule and laws. And they weren't the biggest traders. You guys just want to focus on them because they were mixed. There weren't enough mixed people. There weren't enough non-black people. The ratio difference was disproportionately high.

The wealthier states(the ones that depended on slavery and the ones that didn't depend on slavery) were ruled by native rulers, with native commanders, governors, administrators etc. Until late 19th century and early 20th century, the control was in the hands of former African states ruled by native leaders.

Man what a tough thing to sit and think about. Kings in other nations were selling their fellow Africans, too.

But I guess when ppl discuss this topic, we are told that they didn’t see them as fellow brothers and sisters because they may have been from opposing tribes and these were people they had conquered or captured? Ionno. It definitely makes you sad when you delve into the history of the slave trade.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/an-african-country-reckons-with-its-history-of-selling-slaves/2018/01/29/5234f5aa-ff9a-11e7-86b9-8908743c79dd_story.html

My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader

African intellectuals tend to blame the West for the slave trade, but I knew that white traders couldn’t have loaded their ships without help from Africans like my great-grandfather.

www.newyorker.com

I would just like to see if you apply the same logic as far as everything and every other group...

1 - So, around 10 million enslaved people were sold to the Americas by some former African states, and this happened over more than 400 years(4 centuries). And around the same number of Chinese were killed by Japanese in 10 years, in mid-20th century alone. Do you see this as Japanese killing their own Asian brothers and sisters or you see Japanese as an individual ethnic group, with their own interests and Han Chinese also as an individual ethnic group? Like, do you see the massacres, raping and killings the Japanese committed against Koreans, Thai, Filipinos, Indonesians, Vietnamese as them killing their fellow brothers and sisters or to you, the brothers and sisters of Japanese are only other Japanese?

"When Japan was finally defeated in 1945, China was on the winning side, but lay devastated, having suffered some 15 million deaths, massive destruction of industrial infrastructure and agricultural production, and the shattering of the tentative modernization begun by the Nationalist government."

China's War with Japan

www.history.ox.ac.uk

PS1: This study puts the numbers at 15 million but, from what I have seen, most studies put the numbers at 10 million. And this is only Japan against China, it doesn't include Japan's massacres against other Asian countries.


2 - Around 80 million Europeans were killed in 30 years, during world wars 1 and 2...And in many cases, Europeans were assembling soldiers of non-European background(from India, Africa, Middle East etc) to help them kill, rape and massacre their opposition in these wars. The opposition were just Europeans. So, do you also see world wars as Europeans killing, raping and massacring their fellow European brothers and sisters, or you properly separate by ethnic groups, ideologies etc?

PS2: I'm not attacking you, I just want to know if you apply the same simplification of events to everything and every other group. Or, if this is only applied to specific regions while for other regions you use a more complex analysis of historical events.

 

[omnifax]

This makes zero sense, unless you tend to romanticize/or try to turn everything into an epic story due to Hollywood influence.

Do some of you struggle with looking at the bigger picture when analyzing history? It seems like you tend to focus on outcasts and try to portray them as the norm, in order to avoid dealing with reality. These mixed people lived under native rule and laws. And they weren't the biggest traders. You guys just want to focus on them because they were mixed. There weren't enough mixed people. There weren't enough non-black people. The ratio difference was disproportionately high.

The wealthier states(the ones that depended on slavery and the ones that didn't depend on slavery) were ruled by native rulers, with native commanders, governors, administrators etc. Until late 19th century and early 20th century, the control was in the hands of former African states ruled by native leaders.



I would just like to see if you apply the same logic as far as everything and every other group...

1 - So, around 10 million enslaved people were sold to the Americas by some former African states of the past, over 4 centuries. And around the same number of Chinese were killed by Japanese in 10 years, in mid-20th century alone. Do you see this as Japanese killing their own Asian brothers and sisters or you see Japanese as an individual ethnic group, with their own interests and Han Chinese also as an individual ethnic group? Like, do you see the massacres the Japanese committed against Koreans, Thai, Filipinos, Indonesians, Vietnamese as them killing their fellow brothers and sisters or to you, the brothers and sisters of Japanese are only other Japanese?

"When Japan was finally defeated in 1945, China was on the winning side, but lay devastated, having suffered some 15 million deaths, massive destruction of industrial infrastructure and agricultural production, and the shattering of the tentative modernization begun by the Nationalist government."

China's War with Japan

www.history.ox.ac.uk

PS1: This study puts the numbers at 15 million but, from what I have seen, most studies put the numbers at 10 million. And this is only Japan against China, it doesn't include Japan's massacres against other Asian countries.


2 - Around 80 million Europeans were killed in 30 years, during world wars 1 and 2...And in many cases, Europeans were assembling soldiers of non-European background(from India, Africa, Middle East etc) to help them kill, rape and massacre their opposition in these wars. The opposition were just Europeans. So, do you also see world wars as Europeans killing, raping and massacring their fellow European brothers and sisters, or you properly separate by ethnic groups, ideologies etc?

PS2: I'm not attacking you, I just want to know if you apply the same simplification of events to everything and every other group. Or, if this is only applied to specific regions while for other regions you use a more complex analysis of historical events.

That simplification as you put it is in my view in part a result of a pan-African mindset that many of us were taught here in America. The idea that we are all one big group distorts and confuses people looking at those events and wonder how they could sell their "own people". When you come out of that thinking you realize as you stated that they weren't their people so there was no attachment.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

Any book recommendations?

The title of this thread is a book.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

This may be cold, but keep this thread in mind, while reading the story about Kenya.