The Creator of DBZ Hated Vegeta

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No, no, no. With Cell, and the Cell saga, I never got the feeling that they were going to lose. That there was even a chance of impending doom. But Frieza!?!?!?!?!? That mofo destroyed TWO PLANETS like :lolbron: :rip: :manny:

Killed off an entire race of beings (Saiyans) minus Vegeta, Goku, Nappa & Raditz (Been a while so I could be wrong about that). Killed a little kid (Dende) like :smugfavre: he can't heal ya'll no more. Vegeta thought he was a Super-Saiyan. Frieza was like :rudy: then delivered one of the most brutal one-sided ass-kickings in anime history Then, put a energy beam right through that nikka's heart while he was broken and crying. Was gonna win in the end until he killed Krillin...With just a thought by the way.

Goku was like :ufdup: and turned Super-Saiyan.

Mah peoples, mah peoples. Frieza had the whole Galaxy in fear of him! Feel me?!?! Until he fought the Z warriors he didn't even get his hands dirty! He had his own fighting team in the Ginyu Force work the industry for him while he sat back and ate. They had to use Dragonballs to wish back an entire race of Nameks to a NEW PLANET!. Matter of fact, they had to use both the Namekian and Earth Dragonballs to bring everyone back.

And you gonna act like Cell>>>Frieza? :comeon: Must me smoking that :skip: or something. Can't be serious

Cell: I'm powerful! Now let me look for challengers so I can have some sport.

Frieza: I'm powerful and I want to live forever so I can either command or kill everyone.

Cell: Let's have a martial arts tournament for no reason but to amuse me.

Frieza: :aicmon: I find amusement by destroying a planet of Saiyans who thought to challenge me.

Frieza is the Pinnacle of Dragonball Z.

You goddamn right.

So pompous, so smug. Frieza :myman:
 

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Yamcha took a much bigger L in that situation.

Yamcha stayed simping Bulma for year and probably never even got a hand job from her. Then out of Nowhere a dude who killed Yamcha moved in with his bytch, had her buying him shyt and supporting him, fukked her and knocked up up, then left to go train leaving Bulma and simp ass Yamcha to raise the baby till he got back. :leon:
 

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What made it worst is that Goku was stronger than Vegeta off the strength of a superior training regime in the hyperbolic time chamber. It's ridiculous really. You want me to believe that Vegeta's training was that inferior to Goku's when just prior to that SSJ Vegeta had a higher power level than SSJ Goku?


Get the fukk outta here. Gohan fine, I'd buy into his hidden power shyt. But Vegeta stayed getting herbed.

I don't think you all understand, this dude Vegeta went from the most powerful SSJ to 4th place behind Goku, Gohan AND his own son Trunks in the span of like 3 days. Piccolo might have even been up there, I don't recall.

But worst of all, Trunks never had a legitimate master outside of Gohan who only had the time to teach him guerilla tactics (don't ask me how). This dude didn't have the battle experience and training expertise of Vegeta. He had just spent his life getting his ass kicked by the androids. Dude was Street Fighter status, literally.

Yet, somehow he was able to surpass his highly skilled and formally trained father Vegeta just like that? While Vegeta was still in his prime? :ohhh:


The Prince of all Saiyins stayed getting thrown under the bus. All this while all he was doing was paying homage to his father by refusing to call himself king.
 

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What made it worst is that Goku was stronger than Vegeta off the strength of a superior training regime in the hyperbolic time chamber. It's ridiculous really. You want me to believe that Vegeta's training was that inferior to Goku's when just prior to that SSJ Vegeta had a higher power level than SSJ Goku?


Get the fukk outta here. Gohan fine, I'd buy into his hidden power shyt. But Vegeta stayed getting herbed.

I don't think you all understand, this dude Vegeta went from the most powerful SSJ to 4th place behind Goku, Gohan AND his own son Trunks in the span of like 3 days. Piccolo might have even been up there, I don't recall.

But worst of all, Trunks never had a legitimate master outside of Gohan who only had the time to teach him guerilla tactics (don't ask me how). This dude didn't have the battle experience and training expertise of Vegeta. He had just spent his life getting his ass kicked by the androids. Dude was Street Fighter status, literally.

Yet, somehow he was able to surpass his highly skilled and formally trained father Vegeta just like that? While Vegeta was still in his prime? :ohhh:


The Prince of all Saiyins stayed getting thrown under the bus. All this while all he was doing was paying homage to his father by refusing to call himself king.

IIRC, Trunks was never stronger. Cell explained to Trunks why Vegeta didn't use that bulky USSJ form. I think Goku gave Gohan a similar explanation while training in the time chamber. :manny:
 

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didn't vegeta REALLY save the day against cell though??? when cell and gohan were in that beam war

No, it was vegeta's arrogance that allowed cell to become perfect in the first place. If he would've killed him when cell was in stage 2, trunks and goku never die
 

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IIRC, Trunks was never stronger. Cell explained to Trunks why Vegeta didn't use that bulky USSJ form. I think Goku gave Gohan a similar explanation while training in the time chamber. :manny:

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What made it worst is that Goku was stronger than Vegeta off the strength of a superior training regime in the hyperbolic time chamber. It's ridiculous really. You want me to believe that Vegeta's training was that inferior to Goku's when just prior to that SSJ Vegeta had a higher power level than SSJ Goku?


Get the fukk outta here. Gohan fine, I'd buy into his hidden power shyt. But Vegeta stayed getting herbed.

I don't think you all understand, this dude Vegeta went from the most powerful SSJ to 4th place behind Goku, Gohan AND his own son Trunks in the span of like 3 days. Piccolo might have even been up there, I don't recall.

But worst of all, Trunks never had a legitimate master outside of Gohan who only had the time to teach him guerilla tactics (don't ask me how). This dude didn't have the battle experience and training expertise of Vegeta. He had just spent his life getting his ass kicked by the androids. Dude was Street Fighter status, literally.

Yet, somehow he was able to surpass his highly skilled and formally trained father Vegeta just like that? While Vegeta was still in his prime? :ohhh:


The Prince of all Saiyins stayed getting thrown under the bus. All this while all he was doing was paying homage to his father by refusing to call himself king.

:rudy:

When was it EVER established that Vegeta was the strongest ssj? Are you talking about that early fight with the androids? Vegeta wasn't stronger than Goku even then, Goku was just fukked up by that heart disease he had.

Only time Vegeta was ever even close to Goku's level was during their first fight...after that Vegeta was firmly in Goku's rear view mirror.
 

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When was it EVER established that Vegeta was the strongest ssj? Are you talking about that early fight with the androids? Vegeta wasn't stronger than Goku even then, Goku was just fukked up by that heart disease he had.

Only time Vegeta was ever even close to Goku's level was during their first fight...after that Vegeta was firmly in Goku's rear view mirror.

Picoolo implied vegeta to be stronger than goku after he killed android 19.

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+29&page=107



Also, vegeta and goku were equals as both ssj2's.

Vegeta was stronger than goku in the first fight as Ooaru, goku's kaoken was stronger than vegeta's max base power

Vegeta - 18k max base

Goku - 24 K Kaoken X 3 max

Vegeta - 180K Oozaru mode
 

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Word? Remind me.

Cell said trunks was physically stronger than he was but since he couldn't hit him the big muscles meant nothing.

Dragon Ball · SPECTRUM NEXUS

Dragon Ball · SPECTRUM NEXUS

Dragon Ball · SPECTRUM NEXUS

Dragon Ball · SPECTRUM NEXUS

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+33&page=31

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Vegeta coulda got brolic just like Trunks, Goku, and Cell displayed but didn't due to the negatives explained by Cell and Goku :ehh:
 

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When was it EVER established that Vegeta was the strongest ssj? Are you talking about that early fight with the androids? Vegeta wasn't stronger than Goku even then, Goku was just fukked up by that heart disease he had.

Only time Vegeta was ever even close to Goku's level was during their first fight...after that Vegeta was firmly in Goku's rear view mirror.

No, it was implied by Piccolo that Vegeta was stronger than Goku at that point when they were both SSJ.

But besides that, I just realized I was stupid as a kid. I just googled how I knew that and got linked to some old school angelfire site that I took as gospel back then :laff:

BTW, stop acting like SS4 Goku and Vegeta weren't damn near the same.
 

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No, it was implied by Piccolo that Vegeta was stronger than Goku at that point when they were both SSJ.

But besides that, I just realized I was stupid as a kid. I just googled how I knew that and got linked to some old school angelfire site that I took as gospel back then :laff:

BTW, stop acting like SS4 Goku and Vegeta weren't damn near the same.

:comeon:

I don't acknowledge the garbage that is known as GT.
 
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