The Cherokees were the largest holder of Africans as chattel slaves

[Exlurkernegro]

The past is the past and they hold no power over us, but there are ones who hate black people as much as whites do. I seen some mock us with "we waz kangz" memes.

 

[NoChillJones]

Facts

Well partial fact..

There were well over 2 million slaves in the United States.....to say the Cherokees were the largest holders grouping the entire tribe together as opposed to individually assessing those who did and didn't is a bit of an Alternative fact....

 

[Darkslayer]

The past is the past and they hold no power over us, but there are ones who hate black people as much as whites do. I seen some mock us with "we waz kangz" memes.

Apples, Red On The Outside White On The Inside..

 

[Lamar Givens]

I'm proud to be a Seminole

 

[Princ3]

Before:

After:

Obliterated

Cherokee

 

[Primetime21]

"headed toward Mexico, where slavery was illegal"


I wonder if the Coli militants will conveniently skip this

If they do its because the "Coli Militants" are probably aware that Mexico held more enslaved Africans than the United States, and that slavery in Mexico only became "illegal" a decade before the incident the article presents.

 

[Vann Tablack]

My first post on The Coli! No longer a lurker.

If you have time enjoy the paper below.

I suspect my own family was at one point owned by the Cherokees. Many people don't know that the Cheros were one of the 5 "civilized" tribes or the sell-outs as I like to call them. They looked around and saw all their enemy/neighboring tribes getting wiped out so they struck a deal with the Cacs.

They partnered up against other tribes with the cacs in exchange for leniency, life, no trail of tears walking etc. As sellouts they adopted the ways of the cacman like personally owning land, wearing cacwear clothes and oh owning slaves. They thought the cac would keep his word.

There were the non-civilized tribes who called them on their deal with the devil and massacred some of the traitors but by then it was too late. There were many tribes who were not sellouts and shielded/absorbed slaves/freedmen. They inter-married, lived with them as equal etc. Many of the good indians were slaughtered or marched on that trail. They wanted no part of the cacman and there is even this prophecy by a native in the 1700s who warned the tribes that the cacman would defeat all of them unless they stood together and put away their disputes.

So you know how this ends. The 5 sell out tribes were given some special land for themselves in Texas. By that time since their was a shortage of women many cacs married up with indian women (because of couse they killed the men) plus if they were Indian they got free land. Their offspring were still considered "indians" and they looked mostly like cacmen. In the end they kicked them out of Texas and sent them packing to Oklahoma. Same story..broken treaty.
Go easy on me.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

My first post on The Coli! No longer a lurker.

If you have time enjoy the paper below.

I suspect my own family was at one point owned by the Cherokees. Many people don't know that the Cheros were one of the 5 "civilized" tribes or the sell-outs as I like to call them. They looked around and saw all their enemy/neighboring tribes getting wiped out so they struck a deal with the Cacs.

They partnered up against other tribes with the cacs in exchange for leniency, life, no trail of tears walking etc. As sellouts they adopted the ways of the cacman like personally owning land, wearing cacwear clothes and oh owning slaves. They thought the cac would keep his word.

There were the non-civilized tribes who called them on their deal with the devil and massacred some of the traitors but by then it was too late. There were many tribes who were not sellouts and shielded/absorbed slaves/freedmen. They inter-married, lived with them as equal etc. Many of the good indians were slaughtered or marched on that trail. They wanted no part of the cacman and there is even this prophecy by a native in the 1700s who warned the tribes that the cacman would defeat all of them unless they stood together and put away their disputes.

So you know how this ends. The 5 sell out tribes were given some special land for themselves in Texas. By that time since their was a shortage of women many cacs married up with indian women (because of couse they killed the men) plus if they were Indian they got free land. Their offspring were still considered "indians" and they looked mostly like cacmen. In the end they kicked them out of Texas and sent them packing to Oklahoma. Same story..broken treaty.
Go easy on me.

Welcome.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

There were Africans that sold other Africans into slavery. It is what it was.

This, also many Native American tribes were forced to assimilate into European American culture which led to them taking European surnames and being given slaves. My great grandfather on my moms side was full Cherokee and my great grandmother on my dad's side was half. Their surnames where Thomas and Phillips not Sitting Bull and Wind Wolf.....lmao

 

[Taharqa]

The peace treaty of 1866 granted the Freedmen full citizenship and rights as Creek regardless of proportion of Creek or Indian ancestry. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation in 1979 reorganized the government and constitution based on the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act of 1936. It changed its membership rules, requiring that members be descendants of persons listed as 'Indians by Blood' on the Dawes Rolls. They expelled Creek Freedmen descendants who could not prove descent from such persons, despite the 1866 treaty, asserting their sovereign right to determine citizenship.[3] Since the Creek changed their membership rules in 2001, they have excluded persons who cannot prove descent from persons listed on the Dawes Rolls as Indians by Blood.

The way the creeks did the creek freedman is My family is creek freedman with the right amount of blood needed to get benefits but it was a hassle. Back then if you had any "negro" features you got put as freedman. There's some cases of the tribes trying to erase blood quantity that black/native mixed people had by saying they had none but when you turned the card around, the blood quantity was there. With the seminoles, black people outnumbered "full blood" seminoes at one point until they change the rules to you had to have 3/4 blood quantity to get benefits. The black seminoes had time to act before they did that but they were on that "unity" shyt.


My family still got 300 acres out of the creeks back in the 1900's and we still got full control of it so

 

[Danie84]

It's disheartening to learn our Indigenous kinfolks also treated US inferior

 

[Red Shield]

My first post on The Coli! No longer a lurker.

If you have time enjoy the paper below.

I suspect my own family was at one point owned by the Cherokees. Many people don't know that the Cheros were one of the 5 "civilized" tribes or the sell-outs as I like to call them. They looked around and saw all their enemy/neighboring tribes getting wiped out so they struck a deal with the Cacs.

They partnered up against other tribes with the cacs in exchange for leniency, life, no trail of tears walking etc. As sellouts they adopted the ways of the cacman like personally owning land, wearing cacwear clothes and oh owning slaves. They thought the cac would keep his word.

There were the non-civilized tribes who called them on their deal with the devil and massacred some of the traitors but by then it was too late. There were many tribes who were not sellouts and shielded/absorbed slaves/freedmen. They inter-married, lived with them as equal etc. Many of the good indians were slaughtered or marched on that trail. They wanted no part of the cacman and there is even this prophecy by a native in the 1700s who warned the tribes that the cacman would defeat all of them unless they stood together and put away their disputes.

So you know how this ends. The 5 sell out tribes were given some special land for themselves in Texas. By that time since their was a shortage of women many cacs married up with indian women (because of couse they killed the men) plus if they were Indian they got free land. Their offspring were still considered "indians" and they looked mostly like cacmen. In the end they kicked them out of Texas and sent them packing to Oklahoma. Same story..broken treaty.
Go easy on me.

I read about that prophecy.. thought it was in the 1800s tho, when it was already too late to really do anything.

But yeah... they broke every damn last treaty....

that's how it was so obvious that nodapl shyt wasn't over

 

[agpxknt]

The peace treaty of 1866 granted the Freedmen full citizenship and rights as Creek regardless of proportion of Creek or Indian ancestry. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation in 1979 reorganized the government and constitution based on the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act of 1936. It changed its membership rules, requiring that members be descendants of persons listed as 'Indians by Blood' on the Dawes Rolls. They expelled Creek Freedmen descendants who could not prove descent from such persons, despite the 1866 treaty, asserting their sovereign right to determine citizenship.[3] Since the Creek changed their membership rules in 2001, they have excluded persons who cannot prove descent from persons listed on the Dawes Rolls as Indians by Blood.

The way the creeks did the creek freedman is My family is creek freedman with the right amount of blood needed to get benefits but it was a hassle. Back then if you had any "negro" features you got put as freedman. There's some cases of the tribes trying to erase blood quantity that black/native mixed people had by saying they had none but when you turned the card around, the blood quantity was there. With the seminoles, black people outnumbered "full blood" seminoes at one point until they change the rules to you had to have 3/4 blood quantity to get benefits. The black seminoes had time to act before they did that but they were on that "unity" shyt.


My family still got 300 acres out of the creeks back in the 1900's and we still got full control of it so

someone in my family told me my great great and great grandmothers were on the dawes rolls. so i typed in their names and there are
multiple people under those names, do you know why they don't put a date-of-birth on there?

 

[timeless]

I read this a few weeks ago. Not too surprised, but I'm not ashamed of my Native ancestors, nor the Irish ones. Thing is, Natives practiced slavery like most tribes of the world. I think the racism introduced by the White-Europeans really did a number on all indigenous people, especially the darker ones. :-/

 

[IllmaticDelta]

...it was really mixedblood-white cherokees not full blown amerindian ones


Some indigenous nations such as the Chickasaws and the Choctaws began to embrace the concept that African bodies were property, and equated blackness to hereditary inferiority.[7] In either case “The system of racial classification and hierarchy took shape as Europeans and Euro-Americans sought to subordinate and exploit Native Americans' and Africans' land, bodies, and labor.[1] Whether strategically or racially motivated the slave trade promoted interactions between the Five Civilized Tribes and African Slaves which led to new power relations among Native societies, elevating groups such as the Five Civilized Tribes to power and serving, ironically, to preserve native order.[8]

The writer William Loren Katz suggests that Native Americans treated their slaves better than European Americans in the Southeast.[9] Federal Agent Hawkins considered the form of slavery the tribes were practicing to be inefficient because the majority didn't practice chattel slavery.[10] Travelers reported enslaved Africans "in as good circumstances as their masters."[9] A white Indian Agent, Douglas Cooper, upset by the Native Americans failure to practice a harsher form of bondage, insisted that Native Americans invite white men to live in their villages and "control matters."[9] One observer in the early 1840s wrote, "The full-blood Indian rarely works himself and but few of them make their slaves work. A slave among wild Indians is almost as free as his owner."[11] Frederick Douglass stated in 1850,

The slave finds more of the milk of human kindness in the bosom of the savage Indian, than in the heart of his Christian master.[5]

...and it was mixed blood w/white, mestizos who were the enforcers-owners, not full blown indians



Holmes Colbert, a prominent leader in the Chickasaw Nation and the owner of several enslaved African-Americans (Wikimedia Commons)



Peter Pitchlynn, or “Hat-choo-tuck-nee,” a Choctaw chief and later tribal delegate to Washington (LC-USZ62-58502, Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division, Washington, D.C.)


Black Slaves, Indian Masters: Slavery, Emancipation, and Citizenship in the Native American South, by Barbara Krauthamer (2013)

Black slavery in America usually evokes images of the antebellum South, but few realize that members of the Five Civilized Tribes--the Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles--in Indian Territory, today's Oklahoma, also had slaves. Like their counterparts in the South, Indian slaveholders feared slave revolts. Those fears came true in 1842 when slaves in the Cherokee Nation made a daring dash for freedom.

In the 1830s and 1840s, initially at the insistence of President Andrew Jackson, the United States government forcibly removed the Five Civilized Tribes from their homes in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River. Their removal opened the lands to white settlers and planters.

When they moved, all of the tribes took with them established systems of slavery. Mixed-blood Indians, the offspring of white traders and frontiersmen who married Indian women, were the principal slaveholders in the tribes, largely because their fathers had taught them the economics of slavery. Those mixed-blood Indians remained tribal members and became important middlemen between white settlers and Indian communities.

Many Cherokees depended on black slaves as a bridge to white to white society. Full-blood Indian slave owners relied on the blacks as English interpreters and translators.

TCC: CHEROKEE SLAVE REVOLT OF 1842: American Indians were Slave Owners

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their descendants are the ones trying to keep the black cherokees/freedmen out

The Cherokee Nation chief, Chad Smith, right, and other tribal leaders are officially neutral on a vote to exclude blacks like Marilyn Vann. Left two photographs by Paul Hellstern for The New York Times; Right, Associated Press

Freedmen supporters chalk up the claims to bigotry. They say the Cherokee Nation knows all too well that many Freedmen (who number about 25,000) have Cherokee blood.

When the Dawes Rolls were created, those with any African blood were put on the Freedmen roll, even if they were half Cherokee. Those with mixed-white and Cherokee ancestry, even if they were seven-eighths white and one-eighth Cherokee, were put on the Cherokee by blood roll. More than 75 percent of those enrolled in the Cherokee Nation have less than one-quarter Cherokee blood, the vast majority of them of European ancestry.

Marilyn Vann said she could not believe that one election could determine whether she was allowed to claim Cherokee blood.

“There are Freedmen who can prove they have a full-blooded Cherokee grandfather who won’t be members,” said Ms. Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes. “And there are blond people who are 1/1000th Cherokee who are members.”

Putting to a Vote the Question ‘Who Is Cherokee?’