The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

[tremonthustler1]

I'm not going to argue Melo vs Darko even though you're pretty wrong that Melo wouldn't have moved the needle more than Darko.

Regarding Wiggins that's all hypothetical. There's no real reason to believe that they wouldn't have still traded for Shumpert and Smith, especially since Wiggins was a rookie and they still would've needed veteran help, shooting and perimeter D. And I can certainly argue that Wiggins could've contributed more this year as I already have. How is that a moot point when its the entire premise of this thread? And again, Just because Cle reached their end goal doesn't mean they used the most efficient method to get there. Also with Wiggins they would've had more cap space available than when they took on Love's contract. That means they could've had a guy that contributes just as much if not more, plus more flexibility. To be clear, at the time I thought it was a win win trade and with the info available at the time it was the right move. What changed was GSW and their death lineup which essentially rendered Love a role player against them specifically which is why I believe Wiggins would be a much better fit for them against GSW specifically who has been their only challenger.

I'm not wrong at all about Melo /Darko. Melo wasn't gonna play over Prince as long as he didn't defend.


For Wiggins, if you still trade for Smith /Shumpert, you've marginalized the hell out of your #1 pick star prodigy to where he'd be viewed as a disappointment for being treated like a long term project. At the end of the day you're trying to argue that Wiggins would have contributed more by playing lesser and inconveniencing your best player instead of the guy who disappointed in Loce yet they still won. At best it's a wash for Cleveland and whether the means to get to a title was efficient or not, they got there. They'd do it all again the same way if they could.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I'm not wrong at all about Melo /Darko. Melo wasn't gonna play over Prince as long as he didn't defend.


For Wiggins, if you still trade for Smith /Shumpert, you've marginalized the hell out of your #1 pick star prodigy to where he'd be viewed as a disappointment for being treated like a long term project. At the end of the day you're trying to argue that Wiggins would have contributed more by playing lesser and inconveniencing your best player instead of the guy who disappointed in Loce yet they still won. At best it's a wash for Cleveland and whether the means to get to a title was efficient or not, they got there. They'd do it all again the same way if they could.

No I'm arguing Wiggins would've contributed more specifically against GSW because he's a better fit in the ways I mentioned. Also, adding Shump and Smith wouldn't marginalize Wiggins at all. Smith may have started but Wiggins would've played plenty. Their other wings were Shawn Marion, Mike Miller, Waiters, James Jones and Joe Harris. He would've gotten plenty of tick but there would still only be 3 truly useful wings on that roster. This year he likely would've started with Smith and Shump off the bench and would've played as the 2/3 next to Smith when Bron played the 4.

 

[tremonthustler1]

No I'm arguing Wiggins would've contributed more specifically against GSW because he's a better fit in the ways I mentioned. Also, adding Shump and Smith wouldn't marginalize Wiggins at all. Smith may have started but Wiggins would've played plenty. Their other wings were Shawn Marion, Mike Miller, Waiters, James Jones and Joe Harris. He would've gotten plenty of tick but there would still only be 3 truly useful wings on that roster. This year he likely would've started with Smith and Shump off the bench and would've played as the 2/3 next to Smith when Bron played the 4.

LeBron playing the 4 regularly was not gonna happen.

 

[Piff Tannen]

a little off topic, how is Wiggins one of the most premier athletes in the league and so stiff and inflexible ; breh needs to start adding some yoga or tai-chi to his workout regime

 

[desjardins]

It was a bad trade imo. There was discussion of who would take Love in a trade during the first half of the finals!
40 yr old Richard Jefferson was getting Kevin Love's minutes in crunch time. The Cavs winning a chip doesn't negate the fact the Cavs lost the trade and are paying $100mil+ to a dude who sits in the 4th quarter and is inconsistent as fukk.
The title bought Kevin Love another year to prove himself, THAT'S IT. overall the trade has been a L for the cavs so far

 

[tremonthustler1]

It was a bad trade imo. There was discussion of who would take Love in a trade during the first half of the finals!
40 yr old Richard Jefferson was getting Kevin Love's minutes in crunch time. The Cavs winning a chip doesn't negate the fact the Cavs lost the trade and are paying $100mil+ to a dude who sits in the 4th quarter and is inconsistent as fukk.
The title bought Kevin Love another year to prove himself, THAT'S IT. overall the trade has been a L for the cavs so far

If Cleveland hasn't got a W from this trade nobody has

 

[desjardins]

Fun Fact: Kevin Love avg 8.5 pts per game shooting 34% during the finals
He was pure GARBAGE
The cavs arguably had their best game of the series when he was out in game 3 and they won by 30 points

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

 

[Brandsdale]

a little off topic, how is Wiggins one of the most premier athletes in the league and so stiff and inflexible ; breh needs to start adding some yoga or tai-chi to his workout regime

he looks mad robotic, like theres no fluidity

how the fukk is this nikka averging 24 a game now?

 

[Brandsdale]

Despite that 40 pt blowout game I feel like Kevin Love kiiiiiinda figured this shyt out now and will be a force in the finals this year

 

[mastermind]

how the fukk is this nikka averging 24 a game now?

Pure luck

 

[Trip]

how the fukk is this nikka averging 24 a game now?

Because he's taking 24 shots a game

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

I see Kevin getting that coli love again and Wiggins is taking some heat

 

[Goat poster]

I see Kevin getting that coli love again and Wiggins is taking some heat

Wiggins hasn't developed into TMAC light like some predicted. And he never will.

And K Love has been balling and is a better fit for the Cavs offense.

Wiggins ain't even the second best player on the Wolves imo

I like Lavine better then him.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Because he's taking 24 shots a game

ah, the old Kobe method