Kinda weird to give cowher credit for his first SIX years. Never heard of that. So the man was walking around in year 5 as head coach but it wasn't his team
Prolly one of those types that just wanna coach ball and leave the bs alone, can't blame him but it seems his teams are always "just making" the playoffs .
The only knock on Tomlin is that he’s such a good coach he gets these teams that have no business to the playoffs. He can’t win the big one with this roster and he coaches too well to ever be in the mix for a top 3 draft pick
This is EXACTLY what happens and it’s why so many Steelers fans actually want him gone. There are two types of detractors with Tomlin:
#1: He gets them to the playoffs but who gives a fukk because he hasn’t won a playoff game in forever
#2: He’s a great coach but it seems as though he has an issue when it comes to discipline.
#2 is how I feel, I think he’s a great coach but he isn’t as hands on with the players when it comes discipline, he leaves it in the hand of captains and doesn’t deviate from that even when the time calls for it. It’s a great thing that he allows his players to judge and jury but sometimes he has to step in because these players aren’t going to hold each other accountable because they all are like “family” to each other. That shyt Najee said was real shyt and true fans of the Steelers have been saying this, folks like to talk about AB and Bell but this shyt could be traced back as far as Holmes and Plaxico it wasn’t talked about because of the winning.
This is EXACTLY what happens and it’s why so many Steelers fans actually want him gone. There are two types of detractors with Tomlin:
#1: He gets them to the playoffs but who gives a fukk because he hasn’t won a playoff game in forever
#2: He’s a great coach but it seems as though he has an issue when it comes to discipline.
#2 is how I feel, I think he’s a great coach but he isn’t as hands on with the players when it comes discipline, he leaves it in the hand of captains and doesn’t deviate from that even when the time calls for it. It’s a great thing that he allows his players to judge and jury but sometimes he has to step in because these players aren’t going to hold each other accountable because they all are like “family” to each other. That shyt Najee said was real shyt and true fans of the Steelers have been saying this, folks like to talk about AB and Bell but this shyt could be traced back as far as Holmes and Plaxico it wasn’t talked about because of the winning.
So bell & brown were only on their best behavior in Pittsburgh because of the other players and not Tomlin?
I’m not buying that. Brown went to Tampa and acted a damn fool. So he would listen to Big Ben but not the greatest player of all time in Brady? Come on man
Honestly, like most coaches dude needs another good QB. It's literally the missing ingredient to all these seasons.
You find that good QB and Tomlin can manage the other aspects of the game like any other great coach can on the way to contention.
A good coach puts the best personnel out there to win down-by-down and a good QB can bail out a coach's mistake whether they audible or make something happen with what's out there on the field. You need both.
I do see Penix as well, but let's be real - there's a risk (because ) that if Penix and Tomlin fail fans are going to want to axe them both for sure.
Tomlin/Bo Nix combination I think will make a lot of good stuff happen out there and when they make mistakes won't make the fanbase go to irrational extremes.
Yeah, you can't win big in the NFL anymore without a real QB. The days of Trent Dilfer winning a Super Bowl is over.
I thought the hype about him on draft boards was preposterous because I remember what a scrub he was at Auburn. Then I watched a couple Oregon games this year and couldn't believe he was the same guy.
So bell & brown were only on their best behavior in Pittsburgh because of the other players and not Tomlin?
I’m not buying that. Brown went to Tampa and acted a damn fool. So he would listen to Big Ben but not the greatest player of all time in Brady? Come on man
No that ain’t what I’m saying, what I’m saying is that their antics weren’t put out in the media as much as it could have been, since it got to the point where it was uncontrollable they washed their hands of it. AB got traded and Bell held out, everyone thought they were crazy for getting rid of AB and letting Bell walk but they already knew that they weren’t worth the headache any longer. Steelers organization knows how to keep shyt under wraps any everything in house. Big Ben ass had way more allegations than what came out, the whole Gotdamn team was powder heads back in the ‘70’s but you didn’t hear about this shyt because they know what to do and know when to get rid of folks before the shyt hit the fan.
Players policing other players isn’t out of the realm, hell naw nikkaz wasn’t listening to Ben but they definitely had other players who helped in the process
Can’t compare college and the NFL, I’m projecting his arm strength to the next level it’s going to look different. Also give some examples of him playing in any elements
I think the Steelers have a nice home grown team, you’d like the gm to get aggressive and bring in more guys offensively, but for what it’s worth he’s no different than cowher, only difference bill got his at the end Mike got his early, to my knowledge currently it’s one active coach with more than one ring and that’s Andy and he has pat, bill has a bunch but he started stinking up the joint, and his personnel decisions were bad(too many misses, and I’m going to turn this rando guy into a superstar) mike has been consistent that’s about what you can ask for, i understand wanting to switch shyt up, and that’s cool but bringing in the next mcvay/shannahan clone won’t change Pittsburgh
Who’s the GM and who’s the main guy for scouting when it comes to QBs
Yeah Tomlin have to win playoff games, but the way so many trash coaches get second chances in this league I.E. Dennis Allen, Josh Mcdaniel,,, Tomlin can stay a head coach anywhere
For the record, just posting this here because my message seems to have been confused. This was never a thread about whether Tomlin deserves to get fired, or that he hasn't done a good job, or a thread to get "hot takes" off...
I'm working on a side passion project of, "25 GOAT NFL Coaches", and I started that project with the assumption Tomlin would automatically be in there and pretty comfortably so. As I've gone deeper into it, I've discovered he isn't as high as I would've assumed, largely based on his hit rate once that roster turned over from Cowher's guys, but also in large part based on the fact of him being a defensive head coach, with many years of middling defenses and how those defenses have been destroyed consistently in playoffs...
It's about uncovering reasons I previously hadn't considered, that challenge my prior perception he was a GOAT25 guy. This thread isn't about him not being a good coach or calling for his job. I think he's a really good coach and I'm not calling for his job (a change of scenery may do him and the organization well but I don't think you necessarily fire him)...
Just a PSA, alota yall seemed to have lost in translation the intent of the thread!
Always found the Tomlin hate a little crazy to me. He underachieved with those Bell, Brown and Ben teams but a lot of teams underachieve. Honestly I think it had more to do with his diva QB than anything else. Also the narrative on Cowher is always funny, he didn’t win the big game until 05 and he was the coach for how long? He had some stacked rosters as well so save the excuses.
That being said…this has become a huge topic of discussion be it wrong or not. QB play in his conference isn’t getting weaker only stronger. Next season has to be a big year for him or I can actually see a move out of the building on horizon.
For real. What's funny is even those CACs had issues with Cowher in the moment. But their nostalgia and retrospect makes them think it was all good. Especially now that a black man has the job which they felt should have gone to Whisenhunt or Russ Grimm.
Cowher went 3 years without making the playoffs from 98-00, and also lost so many home playoff games. '94 upset loss to the Chargers, '97 upset loss to the Broncos, '01 upset loss to the Patriots and '04 to the Patriots.
For real. What's funny is even those CACs had issues with Cowher in the moment. But their nostalgia and retrospect makes them think it was all good. Especially now that a black man has the job which they felt should have gone to Whisenhunt or Russ Grimm.
Cowher went 3 years without making the playoffs from 98-00, and also lost so many home playoff games. '94 upset loss to the Chargers, '97 upset loss to the Broncos, '01 upset loss to the Patriots and '04 to the Patriots.
You feel me man, history repeats itself. I remember when people were ready to push Cowher out the door and the narrative was how much of an underachiever.
Not to mention the 97 lost was at 3 rivers and the 01 loss at Heinz Field, so dude definitely left food on the plate. Not saying Cowher was a bad coach but him and Tomlin’s career coordinate pretty similarly.
For real. What's funny is even those CACs had issues with Cowher in the moment. But their nostalgia and retrospect makes them think it was all good. Especially now that a black man has the job which they felt should have gone to Whisenhunt or Russ Grimm.
Cowher went 3 years without making the playoffs from 98-00, and also lost so many home playoff games. '94 upset loss to the Chargers, '97 upset loss to the Broncos, '01 upset loss to the Patriots and '04 to the Patriots.
You feel me man, history repeats itself. I remember when people were ready to push Cowher out the door and the narrative was how much of an underachiever.
Not to mention the 97 lost was at 3 rivers and the 01 loss at Heinz Field, so dude definitely left food on the plate. Not saying Cowher was a bad coach but him and Tomlin’s career coordinate pretty similarly.
Folks seem to forget all of the fukk shyt that Steelers fans had to endure with Cowher. Most notably he would go up 10 in the second quarter and then immediately start running the ball for 3 plays and then punt which would gas the fukk out the defense and then cause us to lose at the end of games, he did that shyt consistently during his tenure and just like Tomlin is now Cowher had to go through the whole no QB faze. shyt is what it is, as I have said multiple times I feel he has a problem with disciplining players and leaves it up to his captains which could be the gift and the curse, wouldn’t give him up for anyone else but I do see where people could see it as an issue
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