Tomlin is restricted by the fact that Steelers find being .500+ is more important than actually contending. He's doing the most with mediocrity.
The Case Against Mike Tomlin...
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Dipsey Doo
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Cowher went to a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB and won playoff games (including a trip to the AFC championship game) with Tommy Maddox , Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomczak. Cowher didn't have a franchise QB until Ben was drafted in 2004.
Tomlin inherited Big Ben in his prime, won a Super Bowl immediately, went back a few years later and IMO has underachieved since. The non-losing season streak is nice, but with the talent the Steelers have had since 2007 (on both sides of the ball) it feels like they should have at least another championship to show for it.
IIVI
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Honestly, like most coaches dude needs another good QB. It's literally the missing ingredient to all these seasons. Needs that star signal caller.
You find that good QB and Tomlin can manage the other aspects of the game like any other great coach can on the way to contention.
A good coach puts the best personnel out there to win down-by-down and a good QB can bail out a coach's mistake whether they audible or make something happen with what's out there on the field. You need both.
I do see Penix as well, but let's be real - there's a risk (because
) that if Penix and Tomlin fail fans are going to want to axe them both for sure.
Tomlin/Bo Nix combination I think will make a lot of good stuff happen out there and when they make mistakes won't make the fanbase go to irrational extremes.
You find that good QB and Tomlin can manage the other aspects of the game like any other great coach can on the way to contention.
A good coach puts the best personnel out there to win down-by-down and a good QB can bail out a coach's mistake whether they audible or make something happen with what's out there on the field. You need both.
I do see Penix as well, but let's be real - there's a risk (because
) that if Penix and Tomlin fail fans are going to want to axe them both for sure.Tomlin/Bo Nix combination I think will make a lot of good stuff happen out there and when they make mistakes won't make the fanbase go to irrational extremes.
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He's an excellent coach, and would have a job immediately if he leaves Pittsburgh. If you aren't an excellent coach, you aren't going your entire career without one losing season.
However, I think people put too much emphasis on the "no season below .500" record. It's great that he hasn't had a sub .500 season, but not all of those seasons above .500 are playoff appearances or better than a wild card team. It's one of those situations where the team makes the playoffs, but is clearly towards the bottom in terms of actual contenders when the playoffs hit over recent years.
And, in regards to Brown, Bell, Big Ben, JuJu, and others he has had to deal with. It's incredible that he was able to keep as much in house as he did and deal with them, but how much of that was enabling by Tomlin?
It doesn't help that they end up being in the middle of the pack with no high draft picks when they are getting 8, 9, and 10 win seasons over recent years.
If the Steelers want to get rid of Tomlin, he'll have a job anywhere he wants, no questions asked.
However, I think people put too much emphasis on the "no season below .500" record. It's great that he hasn't had a sub .500 season, but not all of those seasons above .500 are playoff appearances or better than a wild card team. It's one of those situations where the team makes the playoffs, but is clearly towards the bottom in terms of actual contenders when the playoffs hit over recent years.
And, in regards to Brown, Bell, Big Ben, JuJu, and others he has had to deal with. It's incredible that he was able to keep as much in house as he did and deal with them, but how much of that was enabling by Tomlin?
It doesn't help that they end up being in the middle of the pack with no high draft picks when they are getting 8, 9, and 10 win seasons over recent years.
If the Steelers want to get rid of Tomlin, he'll have a job anywhere he wants, no questions asked.
He’s a Defensive HC whose defenses get torched in the playoffs
the NFL is on to something by not wanting to hire black coaches. If Tomlin wasn't the coach I wouldn't have to see threads like this that just piss me the fukk off. No black coaches, no so called black people calling for them to lose their job.
DaKidFromNoWhere
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This!
How can you blame the coach for personnel when he has no say over personnel?
staticshock
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I don’t agree with this.
The Falcons have a way better roster than Pittsburgh, and we saw what shytty coaching does.
The fact Tomlin has never had a losing season despite some trash QBs shows how amazing he is as a coach.
The Falcons have a way better roster than Pittsburgh, and we saw what shytty coaching does.
The fact Tomlin has never had a losing season despite some trash QBs shows how amazing he is as a coach.
staticshock
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Heelmatic
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How can you coach somewhere for almost 20 years and not have a say in personnel?
Who hires his coaching staff?
And how long do you keep doing the same thing over and over before you make a change?
Heelmatic
The Carolina Blueprint
So some have higher highs and some have lower lows and the Steelers are just consistently average...you cool with that?