The Bret hart heel turn in 97

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What made this heel turn work was the fact that it was so simple. WWF simply listened to the audience and let them dictate their plans. When Bret came back after WM12 the audience was different, it was gearing toward the Attitude Era and he wasn't as over anymore as the white meat babyface. So they did the logical thing and turned him heel.

It's exactly the opposite of how WWE operates today.

Everything was logical with him, Austin, Rock, and the Vince character especially after he screwed Bret. What wasn't logical and never made sense to this day is when they pushed this goofball called "The Game" out of nowhere towards Summerslam 99. The one slight but it all still worked out.
 

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As a kid I'll admit I was seeing what WWF wanted me to see and I was like "YOUSE A CRYBABY BRET :pacspit:"





But this past year listening to The New Generation Era Project Podcast and actually watching all the ppvs and important Raws from 1994 -1998 and actually watching everything unfold and hearing all of the backstories and important details that I didn't know back then I must say :whoo:Bret Hart was 100% in the right he was not wrong at all everyone in one way or another screwed him.



It is truly amazing to see how the fans in a short period of time went from being traditionalist to being only for blood, sex, tables and fukkery. Worst part was Bret saw all of this coming and was very vocal about it hoping that he could change it... in a weird way I think Bret saw the end of his career and tried to at least change his fate in Montreal only for all of it to come crashing down for him. :mjcry:Bret was the last pure babyface hero before the anti-hero wave became the thing to become.

Definitely. I know he didn't really hate the US, but all the stuff about disliking the new direction of the product was all legit, and came across that way on screen. His feud with Stone Cold always felt like a shoot, like the way Bret/HBK were, despite the fact that Austin and Bret got a long. Just really good quality writing and storytelling compared to so much of today's product.

the 1995 survivor series ending gets slept on, too. The ending with Diesel snapping and turning heel/tweener was fukking perfectly done and felt very realistic.
 

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As a kid I'll admit I was seeing what WWF wanted me to see and I was like "YOUSE A CRYBABY BRET :pacspit:"





But this past year listening to The New Generation Era Project Podcast and actually watching all the ppvs and important Raws from 1994 -1998 and actually watching everything unfold and hearing all of the backstories and important details that I didn't know back then I must say :whoo:Bret Hart was 100% in the right he was not wrong at all everyone in one way or another screwed him.



It is truly amazing to see how the fans in a short period of time went from being traditionalist to being only for blood, sex, tables and fukkery. Worst part was Bret saw all of this coming and was very vocal about it hoping that he could change it... in a weird way I think Bret saw the end of his career and tried to at least change his fate in Montreal only for all of it to come crashing down for him. :mjcry:Bret was the last pure babyface hero before the anti-hero wave became the thing to become.

I subscribed to this podcast but still haven't listened to one yet...should I?
 

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I subscribed to this podcast but still haven't listened to one yet...should I?
Take the chance breh, once The Attitude Era Podcast reviewed all Attitude Era ppvs I needed a new wrestling based podcast to listen to. I took the chance and I never regretted it, given the fact that as a kid I never paid full attention to the New Generation Era and watched sporatically this podcast really help filled in all the gaps and allowed me to give my Network subscription to full use watching all ppvs from 1994-1998 all over again and some watching for even the first time.
 
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@DaylitoJames i see you speaking highly of that podcast often so I decided to subscribe a few weeks ago, it seems cool but I just can't get over the accents of the hosts lol. maybe it just takes some getting use to, but after the first few minutes I was like :comeon::camby:
 

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@DaylitoJames i see you speaking highly of that podcast often so I decided to subscribe a few weeks ago, it seems cool but I just can't get over the accents of the hosts lol. maybe it just takes some getting use to, but after the first few minutes I was like :comeon::camby:


This is EXACTLY why I cut it off, did't even give it a chance because I didn't want to sit listening to their accents for 2+ hours
 

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Damn near 20 years WWE was in its prime, now look at the shyt they put out weekly. SMH
This brings back memories, I remember the Bret heel turn, wasn't a heel turn to me, I stayed a Bret fan, but man those were the days
 

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Blame the Rock for killing the nation..
He said he felt uncomfortable with the angle of being a black man and being mad about black injustice in the WWE and in the world.
SMH
 

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@DaylitoJames i see you speaking highly of that podcast often so I decided to subscribe a few weeks ago, it seems cool but I just can't get over the accents of the hosts lol. maybe it just takes some getting use to, but after the first few minutes I was like :comeon::camby:

This is EXACTLY why I cut it off, did't even give it a chance because I didn't want to sit listening to their accents for 2+ hours
Maybe it's because I watch sooooo many british shows (Doctor Who, Shameless, Misfits, etc...) that the accents don't bother me at all. I still swear by the podcast and I'm glad yall at least tried it out :mjcry:its so great when the TSC brethern swaps information with each other like family
 

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I was at the Raw in Halifax in 1997. That's where Bret got into that big pull apart fight with announcer Vince. Rewatched that segment the other day, and goddamn I forgot how good it was. Really blurred the lines between wrestling and reality, plus back then you didn't put your hands on an official/announcer like they do now. The way they fought, Vince selling it after, JR and King freaking out, the crowd... it was perfect.

1997 is by far the most underrated year in wrestling.

I was at that raw too
 
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