The Big 12 officially needs to DIE, here's why....

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(long read)

watching that OU/Clemson game was so disappointing for me. :mjcry: Still hurts to think about. Let me have my peace. :francis:


Despite Clemson being the better team, it highlighted a bigger issue.

If you look at OU 10-12 years ago, we had big, huge LBs, 6'0+ physical DB's with size, etc. Our WRs were big guys. Our linemen were maulers. You look at us now, and it's not the same. What happened?

It's been building for years, but now all 10 outta 10 teams in the Big 12 have switched to some version of the air-raid offense. A decade or so ago, it used to be just Texas Tech that was pass, pass, pass... Every team back then good or bad, had a different identity. Now there's no balance anymore.

Long story short, you now have to build/recruit your teams a certain way to win consistently in the Big 12. You have to score in bunches to keep up with Baylor, TCU, WVU, OkSt, and Texas Tech b/c there's no way to shut them down EVERY WEEK. Sure, in a one off game you might be ok.....but for 9 conf games, somebody is gonna catch you slipping and crazy stuff will happen. Building a team to win the Big 12 doesn't prepare you well to win against top teams from other confs. You have to have a lttle smaller, quicker player to compete in the Big 12. You think a big safety like Roy Williams could play today? Not a chance. Our leading tackler, LB Dom Alexander, LOST 10 lbs before this season so he could play at 220lbs and be quicker for the Big 12 style. That's crazy.

Clemson's D-coord, Brent Venebles, was almost ran out of Norman b/c his last couple years were simply AWFUL. Everybody blamed him when in retrospect the real problem was these week to week gimmicky offenses. Granted he might have a little better talent at Clemson, but he also isn't handcuffed the way D-coordinators are in the B12.

Two years ago OU switched to a more traditional run-heavy ball control offense, and a 3-4 defense......that season we beat Alabama at the end....but we also got stomped by Baylor that year. And then the following year lost 4 conf games. So this season we switched up things again, we outscored everybody and played fantastic pass defense, but Texas beat us by essentially playing bully ball..Clemson too. Our team isn't really built for that, BUT you also can't win in the B12 consistently playing bully ball b/c you'll need to score more week to week. It also makes it a harder sell to 4-5 star recruits on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, Big 12 had it's time, but it needs to go away, be dissolved into others, whatever. :mjcry: I wouldnt mind seeing OU in the Big 10, Pac-12, or SEC West.
 

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Big 12 is my favorite conference along with the Pac 12. Way more offensive minded. Don't change a thing just recruit better players. Baylor's coming, Texas won't be down forever and expansion can happen. fukk running the ball and relying on defense. I say get a QB and light up the scoreboard.
 

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I don't buy that. Stoops just fell off.

If a real elite coach like Saban was in the Big 12 he would build his team the same way he does now and they would still dominate.
 

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I don't buy that. Stoops just fell off.

If a real elite coach like Saban was in the Big 12 he would build his team the same way he does now and they would still dominate.
Nick Saban is different breh. He could go to Kansas and turn them into a power. Saban's name would draw in the best recruits from all over the country. So yeah, if you pull in the #1 class for 2-3 years, you're going to win. But then the majority of the conf would likely adjust to play against his style. So that might be a good thing.

But don't act like Ole Miss didn't have Bama on their heels for 3 quarters when they beat them earlier this year. And Ole Miss was running a spread/air-raid type of attack. If Bama played an Ole Miss offense 9-10 straight weeks, there's a good chance they slip up in one of those games. Just look at their losses the past few seasons.
 

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Big 12 is my favorite conference along with the Pac 12. Way more offensive minded. Don't change a thing just recruit better players. Baylor's coming, Texas won't be down forever and expansion can happen. fukk running the ball and relying on defense. I say get a QB and light up the scoreboard.

But look at the past several national champions....they all did both of these, and did them well.
 

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But look at the past several national champions....they all did both of these, and did them well.

Football is still a run and play defense sport, despite what it's trying to turn into.
Now as for the Big 12, the biggest recruiting ground for the conference is Texas right? Aren't most the HS teams down there spread teams now or do they still have a good amount of pro style teams? (Asking cause I have 0 idea) I wonder if they'd be scared to lose out on big HS talents who love the spread offenses that they've been playing in for 4 years, maybe even since middle school.
I honestly think Oklahoma should pattern themselves after Ohio St. Where you still got some size but run the spread. Just impose your will on another team and push them lil nikkas around.
 

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honestly think Oklahoma should pattern themselves after Ohio St. Where you still got some size but run the spread. Just impose your will on another team and push them lil nikkas around

We did that breh, the last 7-8 games we led the NCAA in rushing.

Our main issue offensively all year was our O-line pass blocking though. Baker Mayfield made a lot of Heisman highlight plays b/c he was running for his life, basically. LOL

That should be improved next year now that the freshman linemen are experienced.

And yeah, a ton of high school teams in Texas now run spread/air raid offenses. And it's probably hurting their development overall.
 
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@Ed MOTHERfukkING G - I know you wish the Big 12 was gone anyway....what are your thoughts on the conf in general?

@NYC Rebel - what do you think about the Big 12 compared to other confs?
I caught this at the end of my work day and am at the gym...I agree but for different reasons...illy reply when I get home.
 

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But look at the past several national champions....they all did both of these, and did them well.

It's what 128 teams. Only 1 is gonna win the College Football Playoff and after this bowl season I see that more times than not it's gonna come from the SEC. I don't fukk with the SEC in any way, shape or form but I realize that they are on a different level :beli:. I accept it but I still want to see spread/air raid teams of the Big 12 or pro style type offenses that focus on the passing game like the Pac 12 was known for.
 
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