The Battle Of 1 & 2: The Chef vs. The Beard Warriors vs Rockets WCF Thread

Rockets vs Warriors

  • Rockets in 4

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Rockets in 5

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Rockets in 6

    Votes: 19 8.1%
  • Rockets in 7

    Votes: 19 8.1%
  • Warriors in 4

    Votes: 41 17.4%
  • Warriors in 5

    Votes: 89 37.9%
  • Warriors in 6

    Votes: 55 23.4%
  • Warriors in 7

    Votes: 6 2.6%

  • Total voters
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Think this is going to be the highest scoring series of the playoff's,with that being said I got the Warriors in 6
 
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I'm really confused, we don't have the ability to peak? You do know what a wavelength looks like right?
Peaking to me is playing at the highest possible level you can play at for a generous period of time - not one good game, then a bad game or a few good games followed by a few bad games. Houston is incapable of doing that since their offensive philosophy is built on shooting the 3-ball with players that are inconsistent, average/below average shooters:

Ariza had shooting months with 36%, 33%, 43%, 39%, 44% FG.
Smith had shooting months with 30%, 29%, 38%, 33%, 22% 3PFG
Terry had shooting months with 39%, 46%, 40%, 36%, 42% FG.
Brewer had shooting months with 39%, 45%, 40%, 41% FG (20%, 27%, 27%, 8% 3PFG)

They didn't string together two consistent performances in that Clippers series.
If so, then what you're saying is that our wins are a product of luck, and that in a 7 game series the luckier team won?
What I'm saying is Houston's wins are largely built on having inexplicably hot games against actual playoff competition.
And a 3 game win streak of double digits in the playoffs after losing 3 of the prior 4 by double digits does not appear as a trend upward on your scale?!
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A three game win streak, proof of this? What happened in Game 6 doesn't happen 99/100. Without that anomaly we wouldn't be having this conversation, because the Clippers would be in the WCF. There was no 'peaking' about the performance, they just rode a late-3rd/4th quarter high.
And you're saying that those Rocket wins were because of hot shooting and had nothing to do with defense leading to transition buckets that positively impact shooting percentage!
"Nothing" is an empty prose that doesn't exist in basketball. I would say that since the Rockets were #2 in transition points this season - clearly the effect on shooting was minimal given the fact your four main shooters (outside of Harden) had inconsistent shooting %s across the entire season.
Man, just say you don't like the Rockets and/or you don't want them to win.
It has absolutely nothing to do with that. At all.
I can respect that a whole lot more than spouting bullshyt logic based on the popular opinion and having nothing to do with actual game to game progression, I can watch ESPN for that!
My take really has nothing to do with popular opinion. What is wrong with you? How can you not possibly see that an inconsistent star player with inconsistent role players who are average to below average shooters with an offense that's predicated on shooting, can't peak in a playoff situation? Will you still claim they're peaking if they come out in Game 1 and the team has a bad shooting night as a collective; leading to a comprehensive victory for Golden State? Or will you claim they're peaking if they bounce back in Game 2 with a solid shooting performance, followed by another bad one, then back to having a good one again?

I don't get what's so hard to understand.
 
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True,but this is def gonna be that series where the score is in the 120's for each team without OT,at least that's what I think
Can't see that happening at all. Warriors have the best defense in the league, they're not gonna give up 120+ points like it's a regular thing. Only two teams managed to score 120+ points against them this season in regular time - neither were the Rockets.
 
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Brewer and Josh just had back to back good to great games. Ariza had 3 great games in a row. TJones since going to the bench has played well. The role players seem to have found their niche and know that they are important to the Rockets success. I think they can play well in this series. They might not shoot the % that the Warriors shoot but it's not always about % it's about when you make them.
That doesn't mean they're peaking.....
 

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Can't see that happening at all. Warriors have the best defense in the league, they're not gonna give up 120+ points like it's a regular thing. Only two teams managed to score 120+ points against them this season in regular time - neither were the Rockets.

You could be right,we shall see,either way it goes,I still expect this to be the highest scoring series of this year's playoff's
 

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What I'm saying is Houston's wins are largely built on having inexplicably hot games against actual playoff competition.


My take really has nothing to do with popular opinion. What is wrong with you? How can you not possibly see that an inconsistent star player with inconsistent role players who are average to below average shooters with an offense that's predicated on shooting, can't peak in a playoff situation? Will you still claim they're peaking if they come out in Game 1 and the team has a bad shooting night as a collective; leading to a comprehensive victory for Golden State? Or will you claim they're peaking if they bounce back in Game 2 with a solid shooting performance, followed by another bad one, then back to having a good one again?

I don't get what's so hard to understand.

Peaking and Peak are two different things, true enough to be at your peak is the highest you can go, where peaking is heading in that direction. So I can't answer your question,until after the game. Unlike you, I can't predict how the game will go based on individual player stats. I can however say that if Houston loses the series, then obviously they were at there peak, meaning they couldn't play any better than what they already have. And this is the freaking playoffs, good/bad games are for coaches to make speeches out of, only thing that matters is wins and losses, so if you wanna say 3 wins in a row only consisted of 1 good game, that type of semantic means nothing in sports, in particular playoff/tournament situations.

Answer me this though, how upset would you be if GSW were to lose the series? I ask that because you've encapsulated yourself within a 'foolproof' argument as though player averages and statistical probability are the only determining factors for the outcome of this series. You're even lowkey shytting on LAC by saying we rode an inexplicable 3rd quarter to victory in game 6. Dude, that was a fukking in game adjustment! 3rd quarters have been our achilles heel, and McHale finally stepped out of his box and allowed our bench to serve a purpose other than giving the starters a breather. That turned the series around, but you're the only one who found it inexplicable! Doc sure knew what it was, and so did the players on the court.

I'm not saying I have the answers or can call the series, no one knows whats gonna happen, but I'm looking for a good series, not looking to bash one team or another based on stats since I'm not out there on the court with them. I find it hard to understand how you will even be able to enjoy the games since you already got it figured out. Come back and holler at me when the series is over.
 

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I'm surprised how many people are saying GSW in 4 or 5 like there's no chance of the Rockets winning the series or even competing, thats crazy. This Rocket squad is one of those teams that is peaking at the right moment. Not to get ahead of myself and compare this years squad to the '94 and '95 squads that won back-to-back but I recall folks saying the same thing and there are soooo many parallels
  • Midseason aquisitions that started to gel towards the end of the season and into the playoffs
  • '95: 1st round 4-1; Tough 2nd round, down 3-1, win 4-3; 3rd round on the road against the MVP...
  • Orlando squad that we swept similar to GSW, was 39-2 at home and were supposedly 'unbeatable'; had 3 players (Anderson/Shaw/Scott) make over 200 3's
  • MVP and MVP runner up meeting in WCF (DRob vs Hakeem/Curry vs Harden)
I get it, GSW is supposed to win, but at the level the Rockets are playing at right now, I don't think there's any team thats gonna sweep them.

94/95 was hakeem at his peak....

Hakeem at his peak is arguably the goat center

I do think the rockets will make this series more competitive than people expect

up until game 6 i would have predicted a sweep for the warriors

I think the rockets can win a game or 2 now
 

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94/95 was hakeem at his peak....

Hakeem at his peak is arguably the goat center

I do think the rockets will make this series more competitive than people expect

up until game 6 i would have predicted a sweep for the warriors

I think the rockets can win a game or 2 now

I'd say 93/94 was Hakeem at his peak, but 94/95 Hakeem had a better finals performance. Either way, take the comparison with a grain of salt, because no one or no team can EVER compare to the 93/94 squad. Hakeem is still the only single superstar to take a team to the finals BY HIMSELF. I've heard people bring up the Piston squad that beat LA, but the 4 b-level stars were still way more than what Hakeem had to work with.
 
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