The average Division I men's basketball player is worth $170,098 per year to his school

[PortCityProphet]

You don't feel when that's done a string effort on the media /NBA part isn't made to not cover them come draft time ?

1. High school is when you get recognized. Going to college for a year doesn't do much scouts already know you before then.
2. All I'm ever told is that the NBA is a global game, they erreywhere and see erreythang

 

[Miggs]

If your argument hinges on the weakest link in the chain then you just cut off the link.

The 289th division one school not being able to pay their athletes is not a reason to not pay all athletes.

Colleges drop programs and curriculums all the time. All the time.

I have no problem with Appalachian State or whomever not having a football team if they can't properly support the athletes generating the revenues.

Exactly if im an employee at a company i dont give shyt what they revenues are,i expect to be paid for the work i do regardless...I dont care if they losing money that aint for me to figure out...

 

[KingJay]

They're worth more than that. This is just the team revenue, think about the extra applications that result from these kids. Villanova had a 22% increase in applications after winning the national championship. They also set school records in fundraising I'm pretty sure, and alumni donations are probably pouring in.

 

[KingJay]

They actually got options to get paid to ball tho
Any super talented player who don't go the Europe route for a year don't really care bout getting paid

This is just so false... First off, you're assuming that these 18 y/o kids coming fresh out of high school can play in Europe like it's nothing. You're asking 18 y/o kids, most of whom have never left the country, to live in Europe where they don't speak English and be totally on their own for a year. It's not like their parents can come over like it's nothing, these kids would be totally left to themselves in a foreign, often pretty racist, country totally unable to communicate.

It's also not as good for your draft stock. Yeah scouts "see everything" and all that, but look at the guys and it clearly hurts them. Terrence Ferguson fell totally off of a ton of boards by going to Australia, a much easier transition than other places. Some people thought he'd be a lottery. There's Frank Ntilikina who has always been in Europe, but scouts constantly say how they wish he'd be playing college ball in America and that if he was on a team like Kentucky he'd be way higher. Mudiay was arguably the top prospect coming in, but fell to 7th on draft night. Scouts highly questioned his decision assuming that he may have had some academic issues, and were really disappointed that he didn't play for Larry Brown. His development was clearly stunted by being in China, and he was mismanaged. Brandon Jennings was #1 in high school on ESPN, he fell to 10th come draft time. Another case of stunted development.

People act like these guys can ball out in Europe like it's nothing, leagues like the Spanish league are way tougher than college aside from all the other issues like lack of communication.

Look at the D-League where they make basically nothing. There's a reason they're playing there and not Europe, right?

 

[L&HH]

That's literally about the cost of room, board and education at a college. But I do think the players should get a stipend though. Say, maybe 30k/year.

Nobody is paying $170k a YEAR for tuition and room and board. Not even med school students or lawyers pay this.

 

[feelosofer]

Nobody is paying $170k a YEAR for tuition and room and board. Not even med school students or lawyers pay this.

You're right I was thinking over four years. But either way, I think players deserve a stipend that way they don't have to be slapped with penalties for asking for extra fukking meatballs in their spaghetti dinners.

 

[MJ Truth]

I've already explained my points clearly. This changes nothing. We understand the top programs are making money. If u still can't grasp it then there is no reason for me to continue

Ill just leave this here maybe it will help..

If a business in the real world loses money they don't then get to not pay their workforce. That's ludicrous.

 

[Colin X]

If a business in the real world loses money they don't then get to not pay their workforce. That's ludicrous.

You're right


They lay the workers off

 

[tremonthustler1]

This is just so false... First off, you're assuming that these 18 y/o kids coming fresh out of high school can play in Europe like it's nothing. You're asking 18 y/o kids, most of whom have never left the country, to live in Europe where they don't speak English and be totally on their own for a year. It's not like their parents can come over like it's nothing, these kids would be totally left to themselves in a foreign, often pretty racist, country totally unable to communicate.

It's also not as good for your draft stock. Yeah scouts "see everything" and all that, but look at the guys and it clearly hurts them. Terrence Ferguson fell totally off of a ton of boards by going to Australia, a much easier transition than other places. Some people thought he'd be a lottery. There's Frank Ntilikina who has always been in Europe, but scouts constantly say how they wish he'd be playing college ball in America and that if he was on a team like Kentucky he'd be way higher. Mudiay was arguably the top prospect coming in, but fell to 7th on draft night. Scouts highly questioned his decision assuming that he may have had some academic issues, and were really disappointed that he didn't play for Larry Brown. His development was clearly stunted by being in China, and he was mismanaged. Brandon Jennings was #1 in high school on ESPN, he fell to 10th come draft time. Another case of stunted development.

People act like these guys can ball out in Europe like it's nothing, leagues like the Spanish league are way tougher than college aside from all the other issues like lack of communication.

Look at the D-League where they make basically nothing. There's a reason they're playing there and not Europe, right?

The problem with your argument is that if it were up to kids, they wouldn't go to college. They'd be 18 years old, on their own with a ton of money, left to themselves in an often racist country, only that country is here, because they'd just go pro. On the flip side, kids come from overseas all the time at a young age to live in North American where their English is either broken on nonexistent, totally on their own for at least 2 years. Hell, some of them move to different countries at younger ages, so this is not a unique problem. If they can do it for their career, it's hard to feel bad for the kid who thinks he's ready to be a man but can't handle outsourced work for a season.

Ferguson is still likely a first round pick when it's all said and done (and his experience in Australia will be judged on a curve because he faced stronger comp than anything he woulda saw in Arizona. They take that into account-- not that I thought he was top 10 worthy anyway) The rest of your examples were guys that would have likely dipped in stock just by being here. The difference is that they played heavier competition, so while it may have downed their stocks a bit, I doubt it would have affected the trajectory of their careers (and to top it off, that 1 year, they got paid, which is the whole point of going through this, right?) Also, they can always go to D-League and hang out there, but to an 18 year old kid, $20,000 in obscurity <<<< 0 but the world is on your jock.

 

[The Fire]

Problem is the top few players in each program skew this distribution. the 10th man on Wisconsin is worth a bag of peanuts to the school, so compensation becomes a bit problematic; do they sign professional style contracts?

 

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The problem with your argument is that if it were up to kids, they wouldn't go to college. They'd be 18 years old, on their own with a ton of money, left to themselves

...just like some white tennis player or golfer is free to do because there's no rule that Becky has to spend time in college before earning a living in America.

 

[Absolut]

just cut the athletic programs that dont generate any positive revenue. let the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of kids each year who would otherwise not have an opportunity to receive a free education down to pay the hundred or so who actually have marketable names in each sport. makes sense. the solution is to allow college athletes to market themselves and their name, and do away with impermissible benefits. if someone wants to give a kid a stack because they liked his dunk last weekend who gives a shyt. thats about it though

 

[tremonthustler1]

...just like some white tennis player or golfer is free to do because there's no rule that Becky has to spend time in college before earning a living in America.

that's fine by me. I hope you don't think I'm advocating for mandatory time in college because I'm not. That's an NBA collective bargaining issue that the players don't even go that hard on.

 

[Hersh]

just cut the athletic programs that dont generate any positive revenue. let the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of kids each year who would otherwise not have an opportunity to receive a free education down to pay the hundred or so who actually have marketable names in each sport. makes sense. the solution is to allow college athletes to market themselves and their name, and do away with impermissible benefits. if someone wants to give a kid a stack because they liked his dunk last weekend who gives a shyt. thats about it though

just cut the athletic programs that dont generate any positive revenue. let the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of kids each year who would otherwise not have an opportunity to receive a free education down to pay the hundred or so who actually have marketable names in each sport. makes sense. the solution is to allow college athletes to market themselves and their name, and do away with impermissible benefits. if someone wants to give a kid a stack because they liked his dunk last weekend who gives a shyt. thats about it though

that's a start..

 

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