The Atlantic: Pro Wrestling is fake, but its race problem isn't

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

who ever has looked at the rock and didnt see black, is a cac00n tbh

i thought kurt was mixed for a while

Please, The Rock is no darker than The Usos, his cousins who are 100% Samoan. He's no darker than big Meng was. You aint slick.

so we jus gonna ignore lashley, booker, mizzark etc etc doing great huh?

you want everyone to be a star like hogan? to be loved by white granmas yeah?

Yeah, Jack Swagger. Sheamus, and The Miz are beloved by "white grammas".

The idea that the only way that a brother can be champ is to be that is part of the problem.

Why can't a Black guy be what "The Undertaker" or "Kane" are?

Why does John Cena get to be a rapper, and taken seriously as a champion, but Ron Killings not?

Why can't a Black guy be what Daniel Bryan is?

Why can't a Black guy be what CM Punk was?

Why can't a Black guy be what Psycho Sid or JBL are?

Or are all of those people such unassailably great talents?

I'm sorry if the Black race has never created someone as talented as Jack Swagger, JBL, Sid, Randy Orton, Sheamus, or Daniel Bryan

true but do YOU think we need a black version of cena?

i was saying in the page before that the person will need a natural aura that everyone feels

just look at how sick people are cause wwe keep forcing cena on to the peoples, do we need that with a black guy?

Who said Cena?

You sayin' a brother can't even be Jack Swagger? Psycho Sid? The Miz?

Nobody Black is worth that?

Ahmed Johnson, Ron Killings, Shelton Benjamin, MVP, and Bobby Lashley wasn't better than any of them?

ok so do u think r truth, langston and kofi are the mid card face of the company right now? (lolol)

If they pushed them, they'd get over as anything they wanted them to.

They just use Kofi's athleticism, Big E's strength, and Ron Killing's humor as "enhancement talent" for fukking Rusev

I didn't know Rock was half Samoan until the announcers told me. When I first started watching, Rock was in The Nation, under Farooq, so I naturally considered him black, because I have cousins who have lighter skin than him. But that was as a teenager, and unfortunately, WWE and The Rock himself, don't really play into his black heritage at all. Not that he denies it or anything, but he identifies as Samoan. So it's hard to say Rock is the first black champ when he doesn't really identify as black, at least publicly.

The Rock got where he's at because he was a 3rd generation wrestler. His first name in the WWE was "Rocky Miavia". Now, the key there is that they gave him Miavia as a last name, so to the audience he's Samoan. He didn't become "The Rock" until AFTER he became a star, but before that they were talking about him being the grandson of the "High Chief" Peter Miavia and his being Rocky Johnson's son was coincidental.

His cousins the Uso are "Blacker" culturally than he is and they're not even Black.

And you know how the WWE didn't really see him as Black?

They didn't turn him into a stereotype or bury him.

Even in the "Nation of Domination", which was a parody of the Nation of Islam, he wasn't playing "Black" like Farooq was. He was there when Owen Hart was there and the Nation wasn't a Black separatist organization, they were just kind of ambiguously tied together.

When Farooq was the leader, they were calling out racism and calling Ahmed Johnson an "uncle Tom". Once the Rock & Owen Hart got there, they were a joke and "Godfather" was pimpin' hoes and Mark Henry was "Sexual Chocolate"

 

[The Electric Lady]

Oh. Well I started watching during the DX and nation feud.

 

[mrken12]

His cousins the Uso are "Blacker" culturally than he is and they're not even Black.

And you know how the WWE didn't really see him as Black?

They didn't turn him into a stereotype or bury him.

Even in the "Nation of Domination", which was a parody of the Nation of Islam, he wasn't playing "Black" like Farooq was. He was there when Owen Hart was there and the Nation wasn't a Black separatist organization, they were just kind of ambiguously tied together.

When Farooq was the leader, they were calling out racism and calling Ahmed Johnson an "uncle Tom". Once the Rock & Owen Hart got there, they were a joke and "Godfather" was pimpin' hoes and Mark Henry was "Sexual Chocolate"

That's a key point that people overlook. People like to say "what about The Rock" when talking about how black wrestlers don't get shine but the WWE never viewed him like a "black" wrestler.

 

[Prince Akeem]

Please, The Rock is no darker than The Usos, his cousins who are 100% Samoan. He's no darker than big Meng was. You aint slick.



Yeah, Jack Swagger. Sheamus, and The Miz are beloved by "white grammas".

The idea that the only way that a brother can be champ is to be that is part of the problem.

Why can't a Black guy be what "The Undertaker" or "Kane" are?

Why does John Cena get to be a rapper, and taken seriously as a champion, but Ron Killings not?

Why can't a Black guy be what Daniel Bryan is?

Why can't a Black guy be what CM Punk was?

Why can't a Black guy be what Psycho Sid or JBL are?

Or are all of those people such unassailably great talents?

I'm sorry if the Black race has never created someone as talented as Jack Swagger, JBL, Sid, Randy Orton, Sheamus, or Daniel Bryan




Who said Cena?

You sayin' a brother can't even be Jack Swagger? Psycho Sid? The Miz?

Nobody Black is worth that?

Ahmed Johnson, Ron Killings, Shelton Benjamin, MVP, and Bobby Lashley wasn't better than any of them?



If they pushed them, they'd get over as anything they wanted them to.

They just use Kofi's athleticism, Big E's strength, and Ron Killing's humor as "enhancement talent" for fukking Rusev



The Rock got where he's at because he was a 3rd generation wrestler. His first name in the WWE was "Rocky Miavia". Now, the key there is that they gave him Miavia as a last name, so to the audience he's Samoan. He didn't become "The Rock" until AFTER he became a star, but before that they were talking about him being the grandson of the "High Chief" Peter Miavia and his being Rocky Johnson's son was coincidental.

His cousins the Uso are "Blacker" culturally than he is and they're not even Black.

And you know how the WWE didn't really see him as Black?

They didn't turn him into a stereotype or bury him.

Even in the "Nation of Domination", which was a parody of the Nation of Islam, he wasn't playing "Black" like Farooq was. He was there when Owen Hart was there and the Nation wasn't a Black separatist organization, they were just kind of ambiguously tied together.

When Farooq was the leader, they were calling out racism and calling Ahmed Johnson an "uncle Tom". Once the Rock & Owen Hart got there, they were a joke and "Godfather" was pimpin' hoes and Mark Henry was "Sexual Chocolate"

 

[mortuus est]

Please, The Rock is no darker than The Usos, his cousins who are 100% Samoan. He's no darker than big Meng was. You aint slick.



Yeah, Jack Swagger. Sheamus, and The Miz are beloved by "white grammas".

The idea that the only way that a brother can be champ is to be that is part of the problem.

Why can't a Black guy be what "The Undertaker" or "Kane" are?

Why does John Cena get to be a rapper, and taken seriously as a champion, but Ron Killings not?

Why can't a Black guy be what Daniel Bryan is?

Why can't a Black guy be what CM Punk was?

Why can't a Black guy be what Psycho Sid or JBL are?

Or are all of those people such unassailably great talents?

I'm sorry if the Black race has never created someone as talented as Jack Swagger, JBL, Sid, Randy Orton, Sheamus, or Daniel Bryan




Who said Cena?

You sayin' a brother can't even be Jack Swagger? Psycho Sid? The Miz?

Nobody Black is worth that?

Ahmed Johnson, Ron Killings, Shelton Benjamin, MVP, and Bobby Lashley wasn't better than any of them?



If they pushed them, they'd get over as anything they wanted them to.

They just use Kofi's athleticism, Big E's strength, and Ron Killing's humor as "enhancement talent" for fukking Rusev



The Rock got where he's at because he was a 3rd generation wrestler. His first name in the WWE was "Rocky Miavia". Now, the key there is that they gave him Miavia as a last name, so to the audience he's Samoan. He didn't become "The Rock" until AFTER he became a star, but before that they were talking about him being the grandson of the "High Chief" Peter Miavia and his being Rocky Johnson's son was coincidental.

His cousins the Uso are "Blacker" culturally than he is and they're not even Black.

And you know how the WWE didn't really see him as Black?

They didn't turn him into a stereotype or bury him.

Even in the "Nation of Domination", which was a parody of the Nation of Islam, he wasn't playing "Black" like Farooq was. He was there when Owen Hart was there and the Nation wasn't a Black separatist organization, they were just kind of ambiguously tied together.

When Farooq was the leader, they were calling out racism and calling Ahmed Johnson an "uncle Tom". Once the Rock & Owen Hart got there, they were a joke and "Godfather" was pimpin' hoes and Mark Henry was "Sexual Chocolate"

so what if the rock isnt dark, who the hell looks at the rock and says "yeah his mixed" no one does

and i say cena because he is considered the face of the company, everyone knows who he is even if they dont watch rassling, a lot of people dont even know who cm punk and bryan is, now the you mention jack swagger and the miz, well where are they now? doing nothing right? they got a push just like lashley and mark did, again u shouldnt even mention those other people like sid and orton as if other black stars didnt get the same love as them

 

[Mook]

Not culturally black? He was a fuvking linebacker for the U. This nikka probably set hella trends

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

so what if the rock isnt dark, who the hell looks at the rock and says "yeah his mixed" no one does

and i say cena because he is considered the face of the company, everyone knows who he is even if they dont watch rassling, a lot of people dont even know who cm punk and bryan is, now the you mention jack swagger and the miz, well where are they now? doing nothing right? they got a push just like lashley and mark did, again u shouldnt even mention those other people like sid and orton as if other black stars didnt get the same love as them

They didn't. All those dudes I named got to be the CHAMP and hold the REAL belt.

Yes, the Miz is lame, but at least he got to be champ. Did Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, or Sheltonh Benjamin get that?

No.

So, like I said, mediocre White folks get to be champ, meanwhile good Black talent gets hit with the high ceiling.

 

[Paper Boi]

mayweather too

this is a good point that i didn't even think of when i made that post. first of all floyd is responsible for the greatest celebrity match in mania history imo. he might not have saved the company like mr. t and tyson, but he definitely did help boost its credibility especially since it was the mania following the whole benoit incident.

i've had the rest of this post in mind for a minute as a follow up to my tyson/mr.t saved the company (twice) post. WWE's mainstream success has basically been built on black dudes/black culture/embarrassing rich cacs (mania 23/austin vs mcmahon)

also to add to the mr. t thing i think it should be noted that ali was involved in the first mania too.

let's focus on the era when they were flopping 93-97, no black dudes on top (although they got desperate and tried to use LT to attract attention in 95). don't get me wrong b/c steve austin is one of my favorite wrestlers and he is basically the ultimate CAC redneck white dude. i totally respect his success, but it's no fukking surprise that a dude portraying a drunk redneck in america actually attracted a huge audience. even then i think the attraction was more a billionaire CAC getting his comeuppance than anything. still though WWE was most profitable in 2000 when the WWE was built around the rock (who unlike austin) transitioned his wrestling career into a fukking 9 figure acting career.

let's think about this for a minute. Mania 28 and 29 are two of the biggest buyrates of all time and they are basically built upon a black celebrity returning. even if the rock doesn't identify as black or whatever, b/c he's a momma's boy and his mom is samoan, if obama is black then the rock is black. the only bigger buyrate than those two buyrates where the rock returned was the trump/vince mania where basically two fukking billionaire CACS had to guarantee that one of them would be embarrassed to attract that number. the point is whether rock identifies as black or not, he's basically the 3rd black man who has kept this company from embarrassment with his new found celebrity, just like tyson and mr. t.

let's not even address how their biggest star of the last decade has been cena who basically culture vultured off of hip hop.

tbh i think big e and titus are both world champion level workers. idk if big e has the charisma required, but dude has the look they love. dude was over as fukk in NXT so if they booked him as the same dominant dude i think he could have gotten just as over. as for titus, dude has actually grown into a great worker if you check his main event/superstars shyt over the last year. on top of that he def has the look and charisma they look for. even has the legitimate former athlete background. only thing working against him is his age, but still this dude should be way higher on the card than he is now and probably a champion.

as for the past. i loved r-truth's heel run in 2011. dude should have definitely been given a chance. he's entertaining as fukk as a heel and far better than that c00n shyt they've had him doing for most of his WWE run. i don't really have anything against the failure to push lashley personally. he's never done it for me, even in TNA now. yeah he looks like a badass, but dude has no tangible charisma. mark henry on the other hand? he had one of the greatest segments OF ALL TIME with the fake retirement stuff last yr. he's also a PROVEN ratings mover. there's really no excuse for henry never getting a WWE title run.

i wonder which black celebrity/athlete they will mooch off of for success next.

 

[Dog Based Gremlin]

enjoy brehs

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

thats my tumblr socialist

 

[Art Barr]

I like kofi kingston tho.....

but the article is right we havent had a black champion since the rock....

they were racist towards rock winning the title at mania, too.
all disguised as a spreadsheet deflection based booking.
which is why wwe will never have another boom ever again, too.
until, it stops booking blacks in racist demeaning roles.
from the worst mania match of all time in pbf vs big show.
which also, includes the most blatantly racist large drawing promotional run in mania history.
for hhh versus booker t, at mania.
which all began previously, in the demeaning of the rock's draw and fan perception.
as a dominant face champion who could win the big one at mania.
against the son-in-law of the company's brass.

real talk,...wrasslin permeated to the boom because of quality booking of black people.
which, allowed and made black people, in the general public.
become receptive and publically acknowleding wrasslin as a known public interest.
from the crotch chop celebration in the nfl to mike tyson, in the last boom.
yeah, scsa was hugely a part of it.
yet, both booms in wrasslin were because of black figures qualiity usage from ring sports based franchises.
making appearances in a ring to solidify the boom as a real draw.
from mr .t, who is why wwf became a territory destroying draw.
to usher in the rock n wrasslin mainstream boom.
to mike tyson and nfl players doing crotch chops after sacks and touchdowns.

till, the wwe shows and repairs this dynamic.
they will never recoup 750M.
nor, will they create another boom, either.
not to mention, in the foreseeable future.
boxing will have no new black draws for them to latch onto.
plus, there will be no ringsport based movie.
with, traction on par with the best film winning oscar franchise like rocky, either.




art barr

 

[Art Barr]

given the rapidly contracting WWE revenues and ratings in the USA, and the fact that despite attempting global expansion, there's much reason to fret over WWE's future.

WWE hasn't even yet made an attempt to create multi-facet minority characters, or even give them a CHANCE - especially Asian wrestlers - despite attempting to move into markets such as China. Prediction: if this does not change, the WWE will be dead within 20 years.

You cannot survive in a country and world that is becoming more and more connected and globalized while creating such backwards caricatures. It just isn't going to happen.

the wwe just suffers from good ole boi-ism..
they don't even try to put on a good product as far as anyone is concerned who is not a white male.
they disrespect any nationality/race/creed, to even females and gender.
so, globally they are just a good ole boi company and nothing more, and nothing less.
when, it is way more potential for this company than severe good ole boi-ism.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

They didn't. All those dudes I named got to be the CHAMP and hold the REAL belt.

Yes, the Miz is lame, but at least he got to be champ. Did Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, or Sheltonh Benjamin get that?

No.

So, like I said, mediocre White folks get to be champ, meanwhile good Black talent gets hit with the high ceiling.

to add even more to it.
the miz was with maryse and she was the benefit of a lengthy diva run and couldn't wrassle a lick and sucked as an on screen character.
in comparison to lashley, who was a champion and the future of the org.
yet, whatever occurred with his girlfriend was so extreme and disrespectful he left the promotion.
plus, lashley's gf at the time one of the better on screen female backstage angle characters of all time.
as far as quality of angle and product was concerned for the manipulative power hungry minx wraps a decision maker around her finger angle.
only, trish stratus was better and real talk, trish was not as convincing.
as lashley's gf in that exact role outside of eye candy.
plus, for whatever happened, both never won a suit and never got to come back like sable did.
when, sable was with brock and had won a settlement, too.

so, the racism is extreme, and when like conditions or situations arise in the company's history.
you can point to numerous situations where, the black person got the short end of the stick.
which is not a coincidence, at all.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Del Rio won the WWE title though

yeah, he did as a stop gap measure to repair his draw.
that the wwf singlehandidly damaged, by putting a part timer with injury issues over.
when, typical booking says the heel should have gone over at mania.
especially since, heels get to win titles at mania.
after the spreadsheet title win of vince's son-in-law at mania 2000.
that damaged the last boom.
yet, adr, id not win the hw title at mania.
when, it made perfect real sense for him to as a character on the upside as a me guy.
which, is why most importantly his convincability
to his draw and fan interest have never recovered.
plus, he is a second gen guy.
so, the wwe has no excuse.
it was just a racist move.
with no plausible reasoning, given their company history.
plus, the fact they did away with traditionalism at mania with hhh's win at mania2000.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

lol i say that because we should know by now that the world isnt going to fuk with anything forced, why should a black wrestler be pushed if he isnt 10/10?

we use the rock as an example because he came in the game fresh

now the gimmics with black stars well i cant say much about it, isnt rassling a white market thing? can we agree that their are more whites part of the product, wasnt cryme tyme a one off thing? how many black rasslers stay like that? cryme tyme came in the game as funny goofy hood dudes, yh sure its a gimmic and sterotype thing but they are just playing a role, if they played as golfers dressed in golf clothes would they not get called out too,? whats a kneega to do

and hell no way can they make kofi like cena, thats like saying they can make anyone like cena or stone cold etc etc, the person has to have an aura already that is natural, u mention sheamus and bad news barret, with them i dont see it as force, they are no bigger than kofi or langston, maybe they just cant push kofi like them but make no mistake those two can not be forced , doesnt matter if they make bad news the champ tomorrow, if the people dont like it they dont like it, if the aura isnt hot it isnt hot, still time for a new black champ, that will have the it factor but i dont see it in any current black wwe guys, the right or guys just need to come imo.

you don't see sheamus as bigger than kofi, langston?

sheamus won the main promotion title and has had numerous main promotion title wins and matches on ppv.
kofi, slipped one time on some paint on a nascar and de-elevated.
when, i have to ask..
why is kofi, pouring paint on a nascar car, in the first place.

when, sheamus was in a me program.
he was putting people through tables, and smacking people with chairs and giving people clubs to the chest.

while, kofi has only showed one moment of aggression his entire tenure in wwf against dolph.
you don't see a problem with that...

also, we don't know if kofi had it.
as they de-elevated him and pigeoned holed and demeaned his character without giving him a chance, at all.

other wwf personalities have had a chance to slip on the perverbial banana peel.
from shytting in people's bags, to sexual assault, etc.
then, still beat down numerous folks and get awarded their place back on the card to me status.
kofi slipped on a car, and never had any oppurtunities to ever be taken as a me guy, ever again.
when, real talk,..
to this day dolph has never been interesting to be a me guy.
plus, kofi elevated that dude, and gave him the rub and his best actual matches and segments in the entire fed.
yet, just because dolph is a ladies man/golden boy.
he gets way more,....in comparison to kofi.

if we judge what sheamus gets and he is no golden boy, at all.
sheamus, from just good ole boi-ism is given the world.
when, compared to kofi and kofi is a much better worker and performer, too.



art barr