The Atlanta Falcons don't get enough Credit for there turnaround Post Mike Vick

[Lakerman0834]

Basically. Matt's one win away from completely surpassing everything Mike EVER did here in ATL. Not saying Matt's as dynamic or exciting as Mike, but win's, win %, divisions won, etc Matt>>Mike. And for the revisionist history that Mike ain't have weapons, what weapons do y'all think he was supposed to have? Roddy wasn't ready yet, but we still had a Pro Bowl TE in Alge Crumpler, Warrick Dunn & TJ Duckett was a dynamic rushing attack (remember DVD?). That offense was built around Vick with the belief that HE would raise the play of everybody around him, but that never happened. I wish nikkaz would stop giving Vick a pass for not raising his teammates level of play...it's not all on the GM & ownership to get you pro bowl talent across the board

 

[DCMC]

Basically. Matt's one win away from completely surpassing everything Mike EVER did here in ATL. Not saying Matt's as dynamic or exciting as Mike, but win's, win %, divisions won, etc Matt>>Mike. And for the revisionist history that Mike ain't have weapons, what weapons do y'all think he was supposed to have? Roddy wasn't ready yet, but we still had a Pro Bowl TE in Alge Crumpler, Warrick Dunn & TJ Duckett was a dynamic rushing attack (remember DVD?). That offense was built around Vick with the belief that HE would raise the play of everybody around him, but that never happened. I wish nikkaz would stop giving Vick a pass for not raising his teammates level of play...it's not all on the GM & ownership to get you pro bowl talent across the board

negged

 

[The_Sheff]

Its crazy how so many people want to give Vick a pass for not working on his game in the offseason, not coming in to watch film, not showing up early or staying late, etc.... Dude couldnt read a defense to save his life in Atlanta. He admitted he didnt give 2 shyts about learning the position of QB, yet nikkas bend over backwards to defend him.

Yeah Vick had more tools than Matt and yeah our talent level on offense is higher but Matt also shows up and does the little things to try and help this team. He acts like he wants to win unlike Vick who was just getting by on natural talent.

 

[Kenny West]

Its crazy how so many people want to give Vick a pass for not working on his game in the offseason, not coming in to watch film, not showing up early or staying late, etc.... Dude couldnt read a defense to save his life in Atlanta. He admitted he didnt give 2 shyts about learning the position of QB, yet nikkas bend over backwards to defend him.

Yeah Vick had more tools than Matt and yeah our talent level on offense is higher but Matt also shows up and does the little things to try and help this team. He acts like he wants to win unlike Vick who was just getting by on natural talent.

It's a black thing I guess.

Even nikkas in Philly still caping for him. "bu bu but it was the o-line's fault" - on vick leading the leauge in turnovers

 

[paidNfull]

nikka you really comparing Alge, Warrick and Duckett to Roddy, Gonzo, Julio and Turner?

thank you, either that dude was white or a fukkin retard, how in the fukk can he compare Ryans supporting cast to Vicks, dude had Peerless Price and Dez White as his receivers, half the guys that was on that team dissappeared out the league the year Vick got locked up

on that p*ssy

 

[Boolean]

nikka you really comparing Alge, Warrick and Duckett to Roddy, Gonzo, Julio and Turner?

and understand that Vick made Crumpler a Pro Bowler, not the other way around :freeman:

i take that back he had top 10 recievers in Peerless Price and Michael Jenkins

 

[Born2BKing]

Its crazy how so many people want to give Vick a pass for not working on his game in the offseason, not coming in to watch film, not showing up early or staying late, etc.... Dude couldnt read a defense to save his life in Atlanta. He admitted he didnt give 2 shyts about learning the position of QB, yet nikkas bend over backwards to defend him.

Yeah Vick had more tools than Matt and yeah our talent level on offense is higher but Matt also shows up and does the little things to try and help this team. He acts like he wants to win unlike Vick who was just getting by on natural talent.

Imagine if Vick had Dimitroff when he was there though.

 

[Rev]

Falcons are where they're supposed to be since Vick left.

The year he was gone, they were so bad that they got the 3rd pick...which got them Matt Ryan.

They got a new coach & GM along the way, added solid pieces, traded for guys like Gonzalez & Julio Jones.

And even with all of that in a 4 year span, they've only managed to win only 1 playoff game by the skin of their teeth. So, please.

 

[Stone]

Falcons are where they're supposed to be since Vick left.

The year he was gone, they were so bad that they got the 3rd pick...which got them Matt Ryan.

They got a new coach & GM along the way, added solid pieces, traded for guys like Gonzalez & Julio Jones.

And even with all of that in a 4 year span, they've only managed to win only 1 playoff game by the skin of their teeth. So, please.

we've won almost 70% of our games after not EVER having back to back winning seasons. You act like what we did was so easy, you can easily miss on a draft pick or hire the wrong coach, organizations do it all the time.

 

[Steezy]

yall buggin alge crumpler was that nikka back in the day. a top 5 TE at the time

 

[jmspro]

Not a shot against Vick but this does show how well Dimitroff has done as a GM:

2001 - 07

7-9
9-6-1
5-11
11-5
8-8
7-9
4-12

2008-12

11-5
9-7
13-3
10-6
13-3

 

[Stone]

Not a shot against Vick but this does show how well Dimitroff has done as a GM:

2001 - 07

7-9
9-6-1
5-11
11-5
8-8
7-9
4-12

2008-12

11-5
9-7
13-3
10-6
13-3

and the 9-7 year Ryan missed two games and Turner another 5

 

[jmspro]

and the 9-7 year Ryan missed two games and Turner another 5

Some tough losses that year too. The Giants loss in OT and i believe we were across the 50 driving on Carolina late in the game but matt threw a pick.

 

[AVXL]

nikka you really comparing Alge, Warrick and Duckett to Roddy, Gonzo, Julio and Turner?

Breh those WRs were utter trash, just accept

thank you, either that dude was white or a fukkin retard, how in the fukk can he compare Ryans supporting cast to Vicks, dude had Peerless Price and Dez White as his receivers, half the guys that was on that team dissappeared out the league the year Vick got locked up

on that p*ssy

I'm white for giving my opinion? Matt DOES have a better all around supporting cast, but my point is that Mike never raised the level of play of the group around him. And prior to the contrary, Mike did have some talent around him...Alge was one of Mike's go to guys & a Pro Bowler, how is that debateable? Of course Roddy & Julio>>> anything Mike ever had, but neither one of them would have put up numbers with Mike throwing the ball.

@ Vick making Crumpler. I can tell who ACTUALLY watched the Falcons & who just caught Sportscenter

@Rev, really breh? B/c teams get a high pick & new coach & GM and become model organizations ALL the time, I forgot

 

[Stone]

Some tough losses that year too. The Giants loss in OT and i believe we were across the 50 driving on Carolina late in the game but matt threw a pick.

Michael Jenkins bum ass had an easy TD in that game but he dropped it.