You are downplaying the music and putting it on the controversy, lots of rappers have controversies and still they ain't Pac.
"The artist who truly suffers, his stuff is the best, cause his heart bleed on his sleeve" - Nas
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You are downplaying the music and putting it on the controversy, lots of rappers have controversies and still they ain't Pac.
Like who?
Gucci Mane had quite a few, isn't anywhere near as loved as Pac.
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Come on man, are you serious? Going to jail is not contraversy. But let's use him as an example. Gucci been out but, he got noticed when he shot jeezy people. He had his little run but the music didn't go along with the contraversy, hence he doesn't sell like the big boys. Again, I never wrote it was just contraversy, PAC had good music. I even gave dear mama as an example BUT, the music wasn't so special that it made him sell albums with the big boys, it was the contraversy. I can say the same for biggie. The only people I can think of that their music is proof of how great they are as artist is Nas, and Jay-z. They still are around even without contraversy.
Of course its also politics but, if you can play that game, that is a testament to how great of an artist you are because you know how to move in a game full of snakes, and still do better then most, while doing the music you want to do. Music is just the fruit of everyday living. How you live dictates how your music will be, and if you can make moves like Nas and jay has, you are great in my eyes. I can't just go by music because its subjective. Damn near every artist sings or raps about pain since music has been commercially available, it doesn't make them great. How they make the song(the structure), the actual music chosen, and the market, and promotion of the music is what determines how great an artist is because that showcases the actual song, and how it is perceived to the general public. The fact that all these musicians need contraversy around their projects show they really aren't that great.
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Gucci has had a lot of controversy, he isn't loved like Pac, the music is a huge factor.
But Biggie sold well with RTD, Pun with CP... it's not just controversy that sells.
No-one said it automatically makes them great...
The quote says...
"the artist who truley suffers his stuff is the best, cause his heart bleed on his sleeve"
Who's the best artist?
"They don't understand that I been through pain
If you get to know me I could be a friend you gain
But you can't just stand there and try to judge
It hurts but your jealousy only probably tears you up inside as much
And it's such, a pleasure every button that I touch
I treasure ever glutton that I punish in my lust"
If you get to know me I could be a friend you gain
But you can't just stand there and try to judge
It hurts but your jealousy only probably tears you up inside as much
And it's such, a pleasure every button that I touch
I treasure ever glutton that I punish in my lust"
We can agree to disagree but, you keep forgetting, its over time not one or two times. Biggie, and pun are dead after two albums, those are poor examples.
Again that quote sounds good because it hits your emotions that deal with pain but it isn't totally true. For some people they don't want to hear that pain shyt because they living it. I know when the pain hit me, the last thing I wanted to hear was pain music, I wanted to hear music that made me think of the good times or inspire me to get out of my rut. You're assuming everyone wants to deal with painful emotions when they don't.
It's nothing to do with hitting emotions, it's cause it's true. Like I said, name me the best rappers and let's see....
Ok that's you, many people find it therapeutic and helps them get through. I'm not assuming anything, I'm telling you about the best Hip Hop artists and what they've done.....
Like I said, list them and we can see whether this is accurate or not...
[Intro: K-Rino]
"K-Rino, you'll be held in solitary confinement until further notice"
[K-Rino]
Minutes after I received my sentence
I was then sent to the threshold of a corridor's entrance
Forced into an hellish existence, I whinced from intense pain
Then commenced to seek instant repentance
My hand served as a surveyor, with no light I'm sightless
I stand beneath darkness' third layer
Imprisoned as a punishment, now receiving a fate
In a place so desolate prayers can't even escape
The reason I was here was never communicated clear
Two minutes in this place appeared like I had waited years
When the lights came on I was bathing in bladed tears
Cause the room had commandeered all of my greatest fears
This ain't Hades cause it ain't hot and I don't see devils
I saw three different escalators that lead to three levels
I stepped on the first one making sure to be careful
Saw fluid filled lines on the walls that looked like blood vessels
That first floor was called 'Confessional' For 24 hours straight they questioned and pressured you to express the truth Everything I did, every evil act was tracked on a sheet of black Stone I had to reenact then read it back
Painfully I suffered as I heard people applaud
I saw every face of every individual that I scarred
Childhood to teenage to adult years
Each women that ever shed tears over me vindictively appeared
Who I hurt bad despite them loving me
And left them to suffer without the slightest concern for their recovery
I looked at all the people I dissed, begged the torture to cease and desist
Couldn't leave, they had shackled my feet and my wrist
Then I was given a proposition
To go to the next level or stay in this condition
My selection was to move on not realizing
That the second level was twice as painful and traumatizing
From the moment I put one foot on the next floor
I became sick to my stomach, disgusted by what I saw
People who needed me in life that I chose to ignore
Stood before me with intentions to even up the score
One of them said, "Do you remember me?
I'm the homeless man that you didn't feed, you passed right by me in my time of need Said "Please" but ended up receiving no love You was leaving the club, judged me and accused me of being on drugs But you didn't know that I was a celestial Angel on the Earthly quest to morally test you
You left and the thought never revisited or stressed you
That one great gesture without question would of blessed you
So now you'll feel the pain of those you never said "Yes" to
For seven years straight like they did with no rescue
The horror and the fear without let up will infest you
The cycle will repeat itself eternally unless you
Decide to go to the final stage
But its your last one, after this there's no turning the page"
I said, "Let's go" with no idea where I would be sent Knowing this was it, back to the escalator I went The last and worst floor was deep as the Earth's core
I was more nervous than the first whore to walk inside a Church door
I was instructed to sit by a wall with two slits
Approximately one inch in length, one inch in width
When they opened up somebody said, "Look inside"
I was so petrified I asked if I could decline, it said "Denied"
Chance to survive was put in doubt
I passively looked in and realized that I was really looking out
I saw trees, sunlight and I rose up
Soon as a glimmer of hope exposed itself, the slits closed up
Once again I became mindful of my situation
The same voice said look behind you
And when I did it was such a burden
To see every person from the first two levels on the third one
I knew then I messed up and should of chose better Instead of one of the time I had to face it all together
How long will I be in this place? Please tell me
Claustrophobic in a small cell where they held me
A voice said, "Just think and rewind The whole time you was subconsciously confined in the guilt of your own mind And these two slits are your eyes So understand if you continue to persecute, these thoughts will stay in you But something had to teach you We had no authority over your brain, you contain the power to release you"
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I already wrote Nas, and Jay. Are you reading my post or skimming through them? There is no best for everyone, that is subjective. The only way to see if someone is the best with facts is with actual album sells throughout the years of their career, and they are still living.
I know it helps but that doesn't make them best just because they deal with pain all the time. We can keep going so I will stop posting. Peace to you.
But both Nas and Jay had what was described in the quote lol.
Nas is self explanatory, Dance, Last Real nikka Alive, so many.
Jay too, You Must Love Me, D'evils, Regrets etc....
The best for most people..
We'd hear names like Pac, Nas, Jay, Big etc and they all had that shyt....
Lol album sales don't make someone the best, that's not a healthy way to look at things in Hip Hop.
It doesn't make them the best solely because of that, but if they can utilize that with in the music it normally makes them better.
Peace.
I wrote i wouldnt post anymore but, i had to clarify some things.
Maybe I took the quote the wrong way. The way I saw it was an artist who is constantly dealing with pain, and rhyming about it, this makes him great. My posts were showing why I disagree with the quote.
Nas, and Jay, weren't like PAC to me, they didn't constantly rap about pain as much as PAC. Nas could be the closest to PAC regarding this but he wasn't as hard about it save a few songs. Jay rarely goes there, and he is why I made him as an example of the artist who can go to the pain, but, don't stay there most of the time, in his music, and is why he sells the most of living rap artists. And sells are an important part of this discussion because if I'm such a good artist at moving emotion, I should be able to get your money that you worked hard for. Young people might not understamd this or people who don't pay for music, bout once you get older, or have to work for your money, it takes an artist that moves you to get you to constantly buy their music. Jay. Has done this since 1996, on a major scale. That is 19 years! Jay is the man!
Again if we are speaking strictly on the music, we would have no answers because the best is different to everyone, so you can't have an artist who is "the best".
Nah, that's not what was meant. I think it meant more had an understanding of it so could utilize it effectively to reach people, not that it was their sole subject matter.
In that case I agree.
I think an artist that has suffered can write great lyrics because they are writing from experience and not from imagination. They can express how they was actually feeling which can give true meaning and emotion to the song.