Anyone know if Lamar has been at the QB training regimen by Kurt Warner or that other guy whose name escapes me? Also you think we blew it when it comes to signing a WR1 target? I heard we are trying to get some good rookie WR out the draft.
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STAN JONES
Fire John Harbaugh
Calias and B-Will took paycuts yesterday and now we have 18.6 mill in cap space
hopefully this aint to make room to sign Sammy Watkins
this better be for a pass rusher or a trade
hopefully this aint to make room to sign Sammy Watkins
this better be for a pass rusher or a trade
I don't know...I mean, if we wind up with Watkins, fine. Obviously not a WR1 now, but he's still not that old and has experience in a Roman-run offense, FWIW (pretty sure he had his best years under him).
Draft-wise it would be great if Bateman or Marshall fell to 27, but recent mocks I've seen don't have either of them making it there. I bet we go edge with our 1st pick anyway.
We may get Deandre Watkins?
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Nevermind, I thought you said Deandre Hopkins, I can only dream
He trains with Joshua Harris in FL during the off-season. No QB camp like you're post was talking about.
They will have to trade up past the Patriots, Colts, and Redskins to get Bateman. He'll be gone. Dwaymi Brown from NC is good. Amon Ra St Brown from USC is also a very good option. This draft has some solid big bodied receivers.
The Ravens have become that fat ugly girl that can't get a prom date to FA WRs.
I hope Keith and Tee get pay increases to develop the rookie WRs that get drafted because those are the only WRs they're going to get. I still have faith in Keith and Tee. Hope the Ravens make their job easier and get the most technically sound options available in the draft(s) while those two are here.
I hope Keith and Tee get pay increases to develop the rookie WRs that get drafted because those are the only WRs they're going to get. I still have faith in Keith and Tee. Hope the Ravens make their job easier and get the most technically sound options available in the draft(s) while those two are here.
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STAN JONES
Fire John Harbaugh
I hope they still try to get another WR early in the draft and some kind of way, still get Ossai and Tryon.
Not great, but should still be an upgrade over Boykins and/or Snead.
STAN JONES
Fire John Harbaugh
who would you guys prefer out of Rashod Bateman,Terrance Marshall,and Dyami Brown
Low_key
Pro
Bateman
Bateman, but sadly, I don't think he'll be there. He's more polished and would give the Ravens a much needed perimeter presence. He's a great possession receiver, but his route running would improve with pro coaching making him a threat on any down.
Post FA Mock Draft
No. 27 Jaellen Phillips DE/OLB Miami (One of if not the best pure pass rusher in the draft)
A consensus 5-star recruit, Miami EDGE Jaelan Phillips played his first two seasons at UCLA before transferring to Miami where everything came together in 2020. Phillips was flashy at UCLA but played a modest amount of snaps across 11 games in two seasons. Ankle, wrist, and concussion issues limited his time on the field for UCLA before his move to Miami. Phillips’ performance in 2020 was exactly what the Bruins thought they were getting in the former prized recruit. A balanced defender, Phillips is a playmaker against the run and pass, where his exciting blend of size, length, power, technique, and athleticism make him a challenge for offenses to neutralize. Phillips is a versatile player that has experience playing with his hand in the dirt on the edge, rushing from interior alignments, and playing in space in a standup role—which makes him a fit for all teams in the NFL. The areas of concern for Phillips entering the NFL are playing with better pad level, developing consistency with his hand technique, and becoming more consistent reducing his surface area while establishing a half-man relationship with his opponents as a pass rusher. Phillips has all the makings of an impact defender at the next level, although a large sample size of high-level production in college would have been preferred.
Ideal Role: Starting 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB.
Scheme Fit: Phillips is scheme-versatile with equal appeal to even and odd front teams.
OR No. 27 Kadarius Toney WR Florida (Just saw that he's projecting as a slot receiver. I wouldn't be drafting a slot receiver in the 1st round, but I'm not an NFL franchise decision maker)
A two-sport athlete competing in track and football, Kadarius Toney played quarterback during his final two seasons at Blount High School (Alabama). As a junior, he threw for 3,604 yards, while rushing for another 896 yards, while scoring a combined 53 touchdowns The totals propelled him to becoming a Class 6A second-team all-state selection. During his final season, Toney worked his way to 2,894 passing yards, totaling 894 rushing yards and 47 total touchdowns. He finished his career with a 20-5 overall record and being named as the 2016 Class 6A Back of the Year, as well as being named an all-state selection for the second consecutive year. After some believed he was leaning toward signing with Alabama, Toney opted to sign with Florida. As a true freshman, he was labeled as an athlete, but the experiment there only lasted through training camp as he was moved back and forth between running back and receiver. Playing in eight games during his first season, he battled nagging shoulder and shin injuries that kept him out of three games.
Toney is an electric slot receiver who’s continued to improve every season in Gainesville. He is much more satisfying than his size indicates because he’s electric with or without the ball in his grasp. His ceiling as a route-runner is a bit limited, but he was highly effective with the package that he was asked to run. Toney’s presence is always felt whether or not he has the ball, as he makes defenses account for him even if he’s strictly a motion player.
Ideal Role: Starting wide receiver that can be used at multiple positions, but while at wideout, a bulk of his reps will come in the slot.
Scheme Fit: WR3 in a vertically attacking scheme.
No. 58 Joe Tryon DE/OLB Washington (Must draft him, Ossai or Payton Turner here because the Ravens will need as much pass rushing help as possible ON THE CHEAP) I really like Tryon and Turner and think either would be elite with the Ravens.
Joe Tryon aligned as an edge defender for the Huskies' defense. He typically will rush from an up or down position with equal effectiveness. He has excellent reactive athleticism with regards to body control and agility for a young man his size. He is a loose-hipped athlete who demonstrates fluidity when he plays on his feet. Setting the edge in the NFL will be no issue for this player. He is explosive off the edge and projects with elite upside with pro coaching. He has true schematic versatility in that he can be an outside LB in an odd front scheme or can gain weight and be a 4-3 defensive end.
Ideal Role: Starting NFL OLB in a 3-4 defense.
Scheme Fit: He has the skill set to play in any scheme, but a defense with hybrid principles will effectively utilize his skill set.
No. 104 Ar'Darius Washington FS TCU Ravens need a real FS with ball skills. Chuck and Elliott are more SS to me and neither has ball skills.
Although a smaller safety prospect, Ar'Darius Washington is a very physical player in all departments of his game. Possessing a fluid backpedal in zone coverage, he has a great eye for passing concepts and the exact plan of attack from offenses. His change of direction/hips are clean when transitioning in and out of his breaks. Washington can turn and run when asked to, even though the Horned Frogs incorporate lots of two-high and three-safety looks on the back end. Physicality as a run supporter shows up often and he’s often been able to save the day as the last line of defense. While not afforded opportunities to play it often except in the red zone, he’s shown to be adequate in man coverage, as he has the smoothness and athleticism to cover slot options. He's got ball skills galore and he attacks the ball out of the air. He's highly competitive at the catch point and many of his turnover opportunities have come from coverage awareness or following the eyes of throwers to take him to intended throwing locations. Washington’s eyes can get caught in the backfield often and he remains glued to play-action fakes for too long. He waits too long to see and diagnose plays, particularly deeper passes. This has resulted in routes getting by him and has left him playing catch up on recovery attempts. His lack of length shows up when attempting to get off blocks and fighting through the trash in order to get to the ball. His lack of height may make some teams hesitant as his measurements are below many previous thresholds for players at the position.
Ideal Role: Developmental free safety.
Scheme Fit: Free safety in zone-heavy scheme.
No. 131 Sage Surratt WR Wake Forest (sleeper) He won't be a 70 reception guy in this offense, but most won't. However, with so much attention on guys like Bateman, St Brown and the like, he could be a very good day 3 option for the Ravens.
Sage Surratt produced a record-shattering high school career as a football and basketball player while also being named Valedictorian of his class. He was committed to Harvard before changing his mind to focus on football and committed to Wake Forest. Surratt believed Wake’s business program was superior to Harvard and he loved the idea of playing football in a Power 5 conference. Surratt flashed in 2018 before breaking out for 65 catches for 1,006 yards and 11 touchdowns in nine games in 2019, but a shoulder injury forced him to miss the final four games of the season, and then he opted out of the 2020 season. Surratt is a physical receiver with terrific ball skills. He excels at winning in contested situations by creating leverage, positioning his frame, and then allowing his size and ball skills to take over. The concern with Surratt is a modest athletic profile where separation quickness and long speed are missing, which limits his ceiling at the next level. For a team in search of a big-bodied target that can win down the field, Surratt is an ideal target, but there are some limitations in what he can and cannot do on the field.
Ideal Role: X-receiver that can situationally serve as a “big slot.”
Scheme Fit: West Coast, Spread.
No. 171 Sadarius Hutchinson OG South Carolina
South Carolina offensive lineman Sadarius Hutcherson enters the NFL with nearly four years of starting experience in the SEC where he spent extended time at left guard, right guard, and left tackle. While his experience at both tackle and guard is helpful, his skill set translates best on the interior in the NFL. Hutcherson is a powerful blocker that executes with a mauler’s mentality. He’s a sufficient athlete that does well to connect with moving targets in space and pull. His anchor is stout and he gets after people in the run game. When it comes to concerns, he needs to maintain consistency with balance and clean up timing and placement issues with his hands. He is best suited to play in a gap blocking scheme in the NFL, so that could reduce the number of teams he fits with at the next level. With that said, he does have the traits needed to develop into a starter.
Ideal Role: Developmental starting guard.
Scheme Fit: Gap blocking.
No. 182 Josh Imatorbhebhe WR Illinois Another developmental WR that's got all the tools you look for, but hasn't had the exposure. He could be the steal of the draft if he can develop with pro coaching.
Illinois wide receiver Josh Imatorbhebhe is one of the most impressive pure athletes at the wide receiver position to enter this year’s draft class. A USC transfer and a former 4-star prospect, Imatorbhebhe offers size, ball skills, and explosiveness on the perimeter. There’s plenty of room for added development with his route-running, but the raw athletic profile and skill set of Imatorbhebhe will make him an enticing investment opportunity in this year’s draft. Production and playing experience will temper his status as a prospect, but nevertheless, this is exactly the kind of player you’ll gladly take an early Day 3 flyer on in the hopes that you can develop him into what his potential indicates he could be. Imatorbhebhe has above-average vertical speed, but the high point skills to be an absolute terror at the catch point in a vertical passing offense. There’s no certainty he’ll reach that ceiling if he’s unable to further flesh out his game, but he’s got a trump card that should carry him into some level of contribution regardless of how much growth he shows from here.
Ideal Role: Developmental starting X-receiver.
Scheme Fit: Vertical passing offense.
No. 210 Rachad Wildgoose Jr. CB Wisconsin
Rachad Wildgoose Jr. was a surprise entry into the 2021 NFL Draft. His resume of game tape at Wisconsin was fairly lean and he only played in two games this season before a shoulder injury brought the end of his campaign—not an inspiring sample size to inject excitement into an unsuspecting draft profile. Wildgoose Jr. has shared time between the perimeter and nickel, the latter of which is where I will like him most at the pro level. Coming out of Jim Leonhard’s defensive system, Wildgoose Jr. should offer an NFL team a smart, savvy defensive presence even without the extensive game tape to back it up. The hope for Wildgoose Jr. to eliminate some of the erratic swings in his play was snuffed out by the dynamics of the 2020 season, however, so you do have something of a “flying blind” dynamic with his forecast. Wildgoose Jr. did show a high-level nose for the football in coverage and his quickness will be a useful tool for coverage in the slot.
No. 27 Jaellen Phillips DE/OLB Miami (One of if not the best pure pass rusher in the draft)
A consensus 5-star recruit, Miami EDGE Jaelan Phillips played his first two seasons at UCLA before transferring to Miami where everything came together in 2020. Phillips was flashy at UCLA but played a modest amount of snaps across 11 games in two seasons. Ankle, wrist, and concussion issues limited his time on the field for UCLA before his move to Miami. Phillips’ performance in 2020 was exactly what the Bruins thought they were getting in the former prized recruit. A balanced defender, Phillips is a playmaker against the run and pass, where his exciting blend of size, length, power, technique, and athleticism make him a challenge for offenses to neutralize. Phillips is a versatile player that has experience playing with his hand in the dirt on the edge, rushing from interior alignments, and playing in space in a standup role—which makes him a fit for all teams in the NFL. The areas of concern for Phillips entering the NFL are playing with better pad level, developing consistency with his hand technique, and becoming more consistent reducing his surface area while establishing a half-man relationship with his opponents as a pass rusher. Phillips has all the makings of an impact defender at the next level, although a large sample size of high-level production in college would have been preferred.
Ideal Role: Starting 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB.
Scheme Fit: Phillips is scheme-versatile with equal appeal to even and odd front teams.
OR No. 27 Kadarius Toney WR Florida (Just saw that he's projecting as a slot receiver. I wouldn't be drafting a slot receiver in the 1st round, but I'm not an NFL franchise decision maker)
A two-sport athlete competing in track and football, Kadarius Toney played quarterback during his final two seasons at Blount High School (Alabama). As a junior, he threw for 3,604 yards, while rushing for another 896 yards, while scoring a combined 53 touchdowns The totals propelled him to becoming a Class 6A second-team all-state selection. During his final season, Toney worked his way to 2,894 passing yards, totaling 894 rushing yards and 47 total touchdowns. He finished his career with a 20-5 overall record and being named as the 2016 Class 6A Back of the Year, as well as being named an all-state selection for the second consecutive year. After some believed he was leaning toward signing with Alabama, Toney opted to sign with Florida. As a true freshman, he was labeled as an athlete, but the experiment there only lasted through training camp as he was moved back and forth between running back and receiver. Playing in eight games during his first season, he battled nagging shoulder and shin injuries that kept him out of three games.
Toney is an electric slot receiver who’s continued to improve every season in Gainesville. He is much more satisfying than his size indicates because he’s electric with or without the ball in his grasp. His ceiling as a route-runner is a bit limited, but he was highly effective with the package that he was asked to run. Toney’s presence is always felt whether or not he has the ball, as he makes defenses account for him even if he’s strictly a motion player.
Ideal Role: Starting wide receiver that can be used at multiple positions, but while at wideout, a bulk of his reps will come in the slot.
Scheme Fit: WR3 in a vertically attacking scheme.
No. 58 Joe Tryon DE/OLB Washington (Must draft him, Ossai or Payton Turner here because the Ravens will need as much pass rushing help as possible ON THE CHEAP) I really like Tryon and Turner and think either would be elite with the Ravens.
Joe Tryon aligned as an edge defender for the Huskies' defense. He typically will rush from an up or down position with equal effectiveness. He has excellent reactive athleticism with regards to body control and agility for a young man his size. He is a loose-hipped athlete who demonstrates fluidity when he plays on his feet. Setting the edge in the NFL will be no issue for this player. He is explosive off the edge and projects with elite upside with pro coaching. He has true schematic versatility in that he can be an outside LB in an odd front scheme or can gain weight and be a 4-3 defensive end.
Ideal Role: Starting NFL OLB in a 3-4 defense.
Scheme Fit: He has the skill set to play in any scheme, but a defense with hybrid principles will effectively utilize his skill set.
No. 104 Ar'Darius Washington FS TCU Ravens need a real FS with ball skills. Chuck and Elliott are more SS to me and neither has ball skills.
Although a smaller safety prospect, Ar'Darius Washington is a very physical player in all departments of his game. Possessing a fluid backpedal in zone coverage, he has a great eye for passing concepts and the exact plan of attack from offenses. His change of direction/hips are clean when transitioning in and out of his breaks. Washington can turn and run when asked to, even though the Horned Frogs incorporate lots of two-high and three-safety looks on the back end. Physicality as a run supporter shows up often and he’s often been able to save the day as the last line of defense. While not afforded opportunities to play it often except in the red zone, he’s shown to be adequate in man coverage, as he has the smoothness and athleticism to cover slot options. He's got ball skills galore and he attacks the ball out of the air. He's highly competitive at the catch point and many of his turnover opportunities have come from coverage awareness or following the eyes of throwers to take him to intended throwing locations. Washington’s eyes can get caught in the backfield often and he remains glued to play-action fakes for too long. He waits too long to see and diagnose plays, particularly deeper passes. This has resulted in routes getting by him and has left him playing catch up on recovery attempts. His lack of length shows up when attempting to get off blocks and fighting through the trash in order to get to the ball. His lack of height may make some teams hesitant as his measurements are below many previous thresholds for players at the position.
Ideal Role: Developmental free safety.
Scheme Fit: Free safety in zone-heavy scheme.
No. 131 Sage Surratt WR Wake Forest (sleeper) He won't be a 70 reception guy in this offense, but most won't. However, with so much attention on guys like Bateman, St Brown and the like, he could be a very good day 3 option for the Ravens.
Sage Surratt produced a record-shattering high school career as a football and basketball player while also being named Valedictorian of his class. He was committed to Harvard before changing his mind to focus on football and committed to Wake Forest. Surratt believed Wake’s business program was superior to Harvard and he loved the idea of playing football in a Power 5 conference. Surratt flashed in 2018 before breaking out for 65 catches for 1,006 yards and 11 touchdowns in nine games in 2019, but a shoulder injury forced him to miss the final four games of the season, and then he opted out of the 2020 season. Surratt is a physical receiver with terrific ball skills. He excels at winning in contested situations by creating leverage, positioning his frame, and then allowing his size and ball skills to take over. The concern with Surratt is a modest athletic profile where separation quickness and long speed are missing, which limits his ceiling at the next level. For a team in search of a big-bodied target that can win down the field, Surratt is an ideal target, but there are some limitations in what he can and cannot do on the field.
Ideal Role: X-receiver that can situationally serve as a “big slot.”
Scheme Fit: West Coast, Spread.
No. 171 Sadarius Hutchinson OG South Carolina
South Carolina offensive lineman Sadarius Hutcherson enters the NFL with nearly four years of starting experience in the SEC where he spent extended time at left guard, right guard, and left tackle. While his experience at both tackle and guard is helpful, his skill set translates best on the interior in the NFL. Hutcherson is a powerful blocker that executes with a mauler’s mentality. He’s a sufficient athlete that does well to connect with moving targets in space and pull. His anchor is stout and he gets after people in the run game. When it comes to concerns, he needs to maintain consistency with balance and clean up timing and placement issues with his hands. He is best suited to play in a gap blocking scheme in the NFL, so that could reduce the number of teams he fits with at the next level. With that said, he does have the traits needed to develop into a starter.
Ideal Role: Developmental starting guard.
Scheme Fit: Gap blocking.
No. 182 Josh Imatorbhebhe WR Illinois Another developmental WR that's got all the tools you look for, but hasn't had the exposure. He could be the steal of the draft if he can develop with pro coaching.
Illinois wide receiver Josh Imatorbhebhe is one of the most impressive pure athletes at the wide receiver position to enter this year’s draft class. A USC transfer and a former 4-star prospect, Imatorbhebhe offers size, ball skills, and explosiveness on the perimeter. There’s plenty of room for added development with his route-running, but the raw athletic profile and skill set of Imatorbhebhe will make him an enticing investment opportunity in this year’s draft. Production and playing experience will temper his status as a prospect, but nevertheless, this is exactly the kind of player you’ll gladly take an early Day 3 flyer on in the hopes that you can develop him into what his potential indicates he could be. Imatorbhebhe has above-average vertical speed, but the high point skills to be an absolute terror at the catch point in a vertical passing offense. There’s no certainty he’ll reach that ceiling if he’s unable to further flesh out his game, but he’s got a trump card that should carry him into some level of contribution regardless of how much growth he shows from here.
Ideal Role: Developmental starting X-receiver.
Scheme Fit: Vertical passing offense.
No. 210 Rachad Wildgoose Jr. CB Wisconsin
Rachad Wildgoose Jr. was a surprise entry into the 2021 NFL Draft. His resume of game tape at Wisconsin was fairly lean and he only played in two games this season before a shoulder injury brought the end of his campaign—not an inspiring sample size to inject excitement into an unsuspecting draft profile. Wildgoose Jr. has shared time between the perimeter and nickel, the latter of which is where I will like him most at the pro level. Coming out of Jim Leonhard’s defensive system, Wildgoose Jr. should offer an NFL team a smart, savvy defensive presence even without the extensive game tape to back it up. The hope for Wildgoose Jr. to eliminate some of the erratic swings in his play was snuffed out by the dynamics of the 2020 season, however, so you do have something of a “flying blind” dynamic with his forecast. Wildgoose Jr. did show a high-level nose for the football in coverage and his quickness will be a useful tool for coverage in the slot.
