The 2012 MLB Random Thoughts Thread
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im really close to just going into fullblown "fukk it" mode and joining the morons in favor of trading him. the future is so bleek offensively, it wont even matter how good the pitching is. no point making David suffer here any longer
Exercise Wright and dikkey's options and trade them, this joke of a franchise aint going anywhere for the next few years and both of them deserve better than this.
FreedS[ohh]lave;1554150 said:
First, NO ONE believes WAR is perfect and a dead accurate measure of value. When the difference is miniscule, like the .1 or .2 between Wright and Posey, no one would call you crazy for voting for Posey.
Second, look at where each of their WAR comes from. The reason Wright leads is again, because of his defensive and baserunning value. Both Fangraphs and BR have Posey as being significantly more valuable at the plate, which is fair even though Wright has been excellent.
Baserunning clearly favors Wright despite his poor year stealing bases.
The issue in this specific case is defensive value. I've long said that advanced defensive metrics are problematic, especially in single-season cases. In many cases there is such extreme fluctuation in dWAR, etc from season-to-season that it makes it difficult to believe either. I generally prefer to look at many-year sample sizes to see if a given year is inline with the others. Basically, I don't think a player's defensive ability is as prone to "slumps" or down years like their offense is. Certainly not in the extreme cases we can see in some player's dWARs.
The second problem is that gauging a catcher's defensive value is still a challenge. The position is so outrageously different from any other on the field that it makes comparing them nearly impossible. Personally, I think dWAR undervalues their contribution, or at least doesn't consider the challenges of the position enough.
In this specific case, Wright gets a huge boost from his defensive value, which is out of line with the last few years. I think he's an above average defender at third, but probably not worth the 1+ win he's been credited with this season. And I think most would agree with this.
The problem with your post is that Trout isn't merely edging Cabrera in WAR. He's DWARFING his value. Oddities in account for value can cause errors, but not enough to make up for 2-4 wins.
FloorGeneral
I don't even know anymore...
^^^ So who's your NL MVP right now? 
FloorGeneral
I don't even know anymore...
Fair enough...
Obviously everyone knows who my pick is, but I don't think he's gonna get it after what happened with the positive test, and the aftermath.
Will probably be awhile before the voters give him a fair shake. I'm just glad he's having this kind of year again, to shut everyone up after all of that nonsense
I dropped Lynn too, then he comes back and does what he does. Which makes me happy 'cause irl my team benefits, but my FF team doesn't.
Luckily I'm still in 1st place.
The War Report
NewNewYork
What "nonsense" exactly? Him failing a banned substance test and people being appropriately skeptical of his defense and subsequent acquittal via technicality?
FloorGeneral
I don't even know anymore...
Well, yes. I mean, by the letter of the law (rules, whatever), there was nothing he did wrong in getting himself acquitted. It's probably the only way he could've gotten the suspension reversed. That's the one thing that's overlooked...if he had said it was in some medication, or supplements, or whatever, there's no way the suspension is reversed. Technicality or not, they used it to their utmost advantage, and it worked.
Regardless of the positive test, I don't believe he "knowingly" took any PED's. There were a couple of rumors why there was such a high spike, and while we'll never know, this season, and his whole career really, should go a long way in showing that he doesn't need to take anything.
I mean, he's basically had the same season, for 6 years now (and he'll be setting career highs in a few categories this year). It's already been stated that he's been tested a large amount of times over his career, and I'm sure he's been tested more than usual this year. So that skepticism should be thrown out the window.
FloorGeneral
I don't even know anymore...
And shyt is disappointing seeing us play like we're playing, after suffering through 4 or 5 months of such shytty bullpen play. If the bullpen had been even halfway decent for that stretch, we'd probably be damn near guaranteed a playoff spot.
The War Report
NewNewYork
Pirates need to fire Clint Hurdle. 