beenz
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wouldn't want te trophy named after himself cuz I his strict "no nikkaz" stance 
wouldn't want te trophy named after himself cuz I his strict "no nikkaz" stance 
The 1st Decision Adam Silver should make as Commissioner is to rename the MVP Trophy
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The War Report
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@Majestic Pape bow out gracefully.
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Majestic Pape
The-Coli = W SOHH = L
Who do you want on your team when it's time to win a championship? Shaq, Kareem, or Wilt?
If you're a smart GM, Wilt is third on that list (fourth if we're throwing Russell in there as well).
People always talk about Shaq not living up to expectations, but considering Wilt's talent in comparison with his opponents, he left a lot on the table as well, in terms of accomplishments.
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And wilt was a choker
dantheman9758
All Star
What are we discussing team success or who's the better player!? Wilt flat out owns the NBA record book, and by a wide enough margin that most of the "next best" players are so far out of sight his mark is untouchable. That's something no other player can say.
Shaq has 4 rings, twice as many as Wilt - but that's a team accomplishment, and other players have more in this area so Shaq's not even in untouchable territory. In terms of sheer physical dominance Shaq is the closest thing to Wilt that the league has seen since Wilt retired - but Shaq never had the pull Wilt had to just blow peoples minds season in and season out by pushing the envelope to uncharted and untouchable territory. Everything Shaq did Wilt had done before but better.
All of Shaq, Wilt, and Kareem have some shortcomings in motivation and off the court antics that makes building teams with good chemistry around them something that needs to be constantly worked on and maintained so it's a wash right there. Shaq and Kareem were in the right systems at the right time that's why they have more rings - period. If your a smart GM you pick Wilt to build your franchise. He will not just represent your franchise, he will represent the league throughout his entire career. Teams in the NBA wanted Wilt on their teams when he was 50 years old - offering him contracts to play "just the playoffs" or "just homegames" to try and get him to bite. Lemme know if the league is making Shaq offers when hes 50 years old.
dantheman9758
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Majestic Pape
The-Coli = W SOHH = L
Both. Basketball isn't played one-on-one. Even if it was, I'm taking Shaq. There's no scenario where I'm taking prime Wilt over prime Shaq.
You're talking about Wilt has though he was eighty steps ahead of every other player who ever lived, yet he only got a pair of titles. And you can say he ran into a super talented ass Celtics squad and shyt for years, but Wilt played with super talent as well and if he was THAT much better than everyone else (and that much more motivated) then he would have won those rings. We've seen the "better player" beat out the "better team" many times throughout the history of the league.
At the end of the day it's just a personal preference. I can't hate on someone taking Wilt over Shaq or over Kareem or if someone took Hakeem or Moses Malone or Bill Russell or whoever, they're all that close. But this idea that Wilt is CLEARLY better than any of them is ridiculous. Y'all are talking like Wilt is varsity and everyone else is JV.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
To be fair Wilt could still ball at 50. One thing he never got credit for was he was always in great physical condition. By 50 I wouldn't be shocked if Shaq started using one of them scooters to get around.
dantheman9758
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Ima handle this the way I handled it the past year - and just back off and fight the ignorance slowly thru my youtube channel and other important historical avenues of data like news archives. Like how the tortoise beat the hare. Ima keep uploading the films and shedding light on parts of his career people don't talk about or remember. The problem is bigger than this petty argument, Wilt's career is based on nothing but assumption to most people yourself included. One basketball reference search and you'd be amazed how many so-called experts will talk about Wilt's weak competition, "just" 2 rings, "choking", and a whole lotta of other nonsense with no context or actual research whatsoever. You already said all I need to hear in your post to back off and walk away "and you can say ...(w/e) " which means your mind is made up. For now.
Majestic Pape
The-Coli = W SOHH = L
You could actually look in the mirror and say this to yourself, because this information applies more to yuo than to me. I recognize Wilt's greatness. I didn't say Wilt wasn't good or was a B-rate player or wasn't a legend or wasn't dominant. I just said there were better.
But you're right about one thing. Clearly you're not changing your mind because you've already done thorough research and formed an opinion, and you're not changing my mind because I've done thorough research and I have already made up my mind.
thegreatest
Pro
jewish excellence
Chris webber has some great playoff games as well. Wilt was a choker in the playoffs consistently. His PPG and overall efficiency dropped almost every year and could only win on all time stacked teams(67' Sixers, 72' Lakers)