The "1 Drop Rule" explained and how it's tied to AfroAmerican identity

Oceanicpuppy

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So white people can be black and or white of their choosing but Black looking people can only be Black? :what:

Man listen to what you're saying. You sound like some new age white slave master explaining how white people are some how more genetically and racially more diverse than black people.
 
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Black american like assigning black status to non whites wo do things for blacks. It's not a good look...he's still not a black man.
Black Americans didn't assign anything to this man. His family self-identified as black. His parents could have passed. They chose not to.

He was called a ****** in the halls of congress damn near everytime he spoke. He took that L for his people.
:ufdup: You're showing your ignorance on this man, so I'll post this video for you to learn.



Get at me when you finish watching or don't get at me at all.
 

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Black Americans didn't assign anything to this man. His family self-identified as black. His parents could have passed. They chose not to.

He was called a ****** in the halls of congress damn near everytime he spoke. He took that L for his people.
:ufdup: You're showing your ignorance on this man, so I'll post this video for you to learn.



Get at me when you finish watching or don't get at me at all.

He his not black.
 

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So white people can be black and or white of their choosing

Nope. White people can't be black of their choosing...they are always white. Fair skinned people of African descent can be black though. There is a difference.




but Black looking people can only be Black? :what:

They can self identify as they please but their features will allow them to only be black.



Man listen to what you're saying. You sound like some new age white slave master explaining how white people are some how more genetically and racially more diverse than black people.

You're not reading/comprehending what I posted. I never said what you're implying
 

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I'm 1/4 white.

Can we get the mods to change my name to Caccy Knocks pls thanks.

I'm going to start checking white on them boxes. Lucky this ain't the 50s cause I'm sippin out that clean ass white fountain. who got beef.
 

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So you feel the need to Cape so hard why exactly?

Caping? This is the reality of Afram identity:russ: That was the gist of this post. Are you going to deny the woman below along with Tupac their "blackness" because they have mulatto/fair skinned ancestors:mjlol:


The other thing is that by definition, most Aframs are AfroEuropean, meaning they're going to descend from biracial people. One cant separate mulattos/fair skined Aframs from their darker kin....it's like saying this woman isn't black

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Robyn Smith
Robyn has been researching her family and others for 17 years. An engineer by day, Robyn applies those research and problem-solving skills to the field of genealogy. She specializes in Maryland research, African-American and slave research and court records. Robyn has a strong interest in promoting the documentation of families and communities, and emphasizing the use of proper genealogical standards in our research. Robyn teaches an Advanced African-American Genealogy class part-time at Howard Community College in Columbia, MD, lectures locally and publishes articles in local genealogy journals. She is also the author of a genealogy blog called "Reclaiming Kin" which can be viewed at http://msualumni.wordpress.com.

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/homepage/html/festival_lecture.html

..because she has fair skinned black ancestors who look like...

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http://www.reclaimingkin.com/maternal-ancestors/

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http://www.reclaimingkin.com/criminals-in-the-family-joseph-harbour/

I guess Tupac isn't black:russ:

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because he has white/mulatto ancestors

The Ancestors of Tupac Shakur (1971-1996)

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http://www.wargs.com/other/shakur.html





In the UK if you have a white parent and a black parent then legally you are biracial, I just don't understand the need for this

Now I see. You're from the UK:francis: reminds me of a poster from the UK years ago on another forum that couldn't grasp why so many UK mulattos were considered "black" or not mixed by USA standards. Samantha Mumba was one he always bring up

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Nope. White people can't be black of their choosing...they are always white. Fair skinned people of African descent can be black though. There is a difference.






They can self identify as they please but their features will allow them to only be black.





You're not reading/comprehending what I posted. I never said what you're implying
LMAO! So Black features are limited but white people with distant black ancestry can move freely from black to white? :mjlol:



I have a white ancestor so I get to be white by your logic. I'm checking white next time. It's only fair. Don't fight me on this.
 

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Black american like assigning black status to non whites wo do things for blacks. It's not a good look...he's still not a black man. And she's a beautiful woman. The more I look at aa history the more I see that even in black circles white people still are overly represented.in black leadership. The minutiae of black ancestry notwithstanding.

Powell self identified as "black". He could have easily passed as white but his parents raised him "black" because that's what they came from.
 

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Caping? This is the reality of Afram identity:russ: That was the gist of this post. Are you going to deny the woman below along with Tupac their "blackness" because they have mulatto/fair skinned ancestors:mjlol:


The other thing is that by definition, most Aframs are AfroEuropean, meaning they're going to descend from biracial people. One cant separate mulattos/fair skined Aframs from their darker kin....it's like saying this woman isn't black

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Robyn Smith


http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/homepage/html/festival_lecture.html

..because she has fair skinned black ancestors who look like...

Oq6kFLi.jpg


http://www.reclaimingkin.com/maternal-ancestors/

Z2hW2iS.jpg


http://www.reclaimingkin.com/criminals-in-the-family-joseph-harbour/

I guess Tupac isn't black:russ:

eMLOK.jpg


because he has white/mulatto ancestors

The Ancestors of Tupac Shakur (1971-1996)

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http://www.wargs.com/other/shakur.html







Now I see. You're from the UK:francis: reminds me of a poster from the UK years ago on another forum that couldn't grasp why so many UK mulattos were considered "black" or not mixed by USA standards. Samantha Mumba was one he always bring up

J2FQFdd.jpg

Unfortunately because of slavery we all have white ancestors. People who are black have a small percentage of Caucasian in them, a biracial person however would more then likely have majority Caucasian DNA considering there would be a small percentage from there black parents and a large percentage from there white correct?

But all that is irrelevant because black people don't have to claim biracials if they don't want to.
 

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LMAO! So Black features are limited

No



but white people with distant black ancestry can move freely from black to white? :mjlol:

Fair skinned blacks and white people aren't the same things:stopitslime: Peep the difference..

1) white guy who passed as black but was 100% white/european

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Johnny Otis

Otis was born to Greek immigrants Alexander J. Veliotes, a Mare Island longshoreman and grocery store owner, and his wife, the former Irene Kiskakes, a painter. He had a younger sister, Dorothy, and a younger brother, Nicholas A. Veliotes, former U.S. Ambassador to both Jordan (1978–1981) and Egypt (1984–1986)). He grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood in Berkeley, California, where his father owned a neighborhood grocery store. Otis became well-known for his choice to live his professional and personal life as a member of the African-American community. He wrote, "As a kid I decided that if our society dictated that one had to be black or white, I would be black."




2. fair skinned afroeuropean who descended from slaves who passed for white after being "black" for most his life


"This infiltration was common not just in Virginia but all over the United States. The most interesting document listed in the amicus briefs for Loving vs. Virginia is a statistical study called "African Ancestry of the White American Population" by Robert Stuckert, a sociologist and anthropologist from Ohio State University. Stuckert's statistical models are tough going, but eye-opening for what they show. Simply put, he examined census and fertility data to arrive at estimates of how many white Americans had African blood lines and how many fair-skinned blacks had crossed over the line to live as white. Stuckert's tables show that during the 1940s alone, roughly 15,550 fair-skinned blacks per year slipped across the color line--about 155,500 for the decade. Stuckert estimates that by 1950 about 21 percent of the whites--or about 28 million of the 135 million persons classified as "white" in the census--had black ancestry within the last four generations. He predicted that the proportion would only grow in the coming decades. The belief that one's ancestors are "racially uniform" is a basic American fiction, Stuckert wrote, but a fiction nonetheless."


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ute/1999/10/the_real_american_love_story.html


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Harry Pace






the founder and CEO of Black Swan records, the first African American music recording company. Harry Pace was born January 6, 1894 in Covington, Georgia. to Charles and Elizabeth Pace. He graduated Valedictorian from Atlanta University in 1903. He married Ethylynde Bibb in 1917. He worked with W.E. B. DuBois on the Moon Illustrated Weekly which was the precursor to The Crisis which became the official publication for the NAACP

He eventually passed for white after always having a "black" identity


words from his granddaughter:

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Susan Pace Hoy

https://www.blogger.com/profile/07279795613147873259


My name is Susan Pace Hoy and I am the granddaughter of Harry Herbert Pace. I grew up in an all white neighborhood in a small town, went to an all white school during elementary and high school, attended an all white Episcopalian church on Sundays and grew up with the understanding that my roots were possibly Italian. I never was told anything about my father’s heritage and he never offered any information to us.
About two years ago, my brother told me of my real roots. His wife discovered from the internet, a story of a man- an incredible man. This was the story of a scholar, lawyer, author, entrepreneur, philosopher, insurance executive & record producer. This was a story of a man who founded the largest black insurance company in America, who partnered with W.C. Handy, “Father of the Blues”, founded Black Swan records and produced the first black recording artists in America. This man was an advocate for the black race for nearly his lifetime until he passed into the white world. The article I read off the internet that evening was by Jitu K. Weusi. “The Rise and Fall of Black Swan Records.”

It was written how this man was very light-skinned and could pass for white. That is exactly what he did-years after the fall of Black Swan Records. I was stunned that the man I was reading about was in fact my grandfather. I was the granddaughter of this incredible person. How could this have been kept from us? How could my father go to his death without telling us this unbelievable story? How could he have been married to my mother for so many years and never told her? I always struggled with why my father never could tell us anything about his childhood. He never talked of his Dad unless we questioned him and then I suppose it was all false. My father had only one sibling, a sister, and she is alive and living in the mid-west. “The Secret” that my aunt and my father harbored almost their entire life is now out to the family.
My nephew asks the question how a discovery such as this could make a person question their sense of identity?
Perhaps when you are young and still have so much of life to live and are only just formulating your identity it may not pose as such an issue. Young people today have been around a multitude of cultures for most of their lives. Growing up in the 50’s, 60’s & 70’s, I remember the civil rights movement, and when busing was being used as a way of integration of the schools. When you have lived 50 + years as one race and then suddenly find you’re bi-racial, it has been not an easy adjustment. These past two years have been tough. Our family has been ripped apart. Some are not speaking to one another and some are. Some do not want to delve deeper into this while my brother and I clearly want to know it all. I have shared the story with my very closest friends. They have embraced me and given me their ear while others I have not, just because of the magnitude of the story. At times I feel conflicted. I am so proud to be related to this man. On the other hand, I feel ashamed of myself for the hesitation when asked about my heritage. Now I am constantly questioning myself. Could it be that I am perpetuating racism by these feelings? I am who I have always been- I am the same person, just a lot more enriched. Aren’t we all just a melting pot of cultures? Perhaps this stereotype of what equates whiteness or blackness will someday disappear. I would like to think that as time goes on race can be a thing of the past.


His grandson:

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Peter Pace

https://www.blogger.com/profile/15490075348065506314


My sons question about how discovering that you have african ancestry later in your life affects your sense of identity is a difficult and subtle issue. My wife points out that I have been utterly changed by the knowledge. A person reflects on the world through the filter of identiy. Any change to that sense of identity, changes how you look out at the rest of the world and calls into question assumptions about your own life. Anecdotal incidents from childhood that were always considered benign,take on new interpretation. Why was it kept secret from me and what are my responsibilties of disclosure to friends, family and the world at large? The secret becomes my secret. My family is still struggleing with all of this. Some wish that we had never found out, others have become obsessive about finding out more but all of us have been irreversibly changed by this knowledge.

http://harryherbertpace.blogspot.com/2009/07/my-name-is-peter-pace.html



https://www.blogger.com/profile/07279795613147873259







I have a white ancestor so I get to be white by your logic.

No you don't because that's not my logic. I already told you...


You have to look "white"in order to pull that off as I explained here...


King's ability to conceal a black wife and children who lived in the same city was only possible because of New York's unique attributes, Sandweiss said.

"New York had segregated neighborhoods and excellent public transportation," she pointed out. King lived as a bachelor in all-white gentleman's clubs in Manhattan, and hopped on the streetcar when he wanted to visit his family in another borough.

But the most amazing part of King's story is that someone with fair hair and blue eyes was accepted as a black man. He managed it, Sandweiss said, because of the so-called "one-drop" laws passed in the South during Reconstruction, which declared that someone with one black great-grandparent was considered legally black.

"The laws were meant to make it very difficult to move from one racial category to the other," Sandweiss said. "Ironically, they made it very possible to do that, because you could claim an ancestry -- or more often hide an ancestry -- that was invisible in the color of your skin."





AT LEFT: This 1879 photo of Clarence King was taken while he served as director of the United States Geological Survey. (Photo: Courtesy of the U.S. Geological Survey Photographic Library) AT RIGHT Ada Copeland King, pictured in 1933, is accompanied by her son, Wallace, whose father was Clarence King. (Photo: Courtesy of the New York Daily News)

Again, the one drop rule only applies to people who look "white". Everyone else is "black" based on obvious visible African features alone.






I'm checking white next time. It's only fair. Don't fight me on this.


Your logic would work better in Latin America:yeshrug:
 

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If they identify that way and are of African descent, why stop them?



It's not about %'s:manny:
Because we don't want people who don't look like us representing us, you trying to claim white people as black proves you got self hate and no black pride.

No blacks outside the U.S. claims the one drop rule, nobody in the world in any race claims one drop rule except AA's.
 
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He his not black.

If you don't sit your willfully ignorant Canadian ass down. You want to cape for black people who don't want to be black and dismiss black people who are proud to be black, I see you... :ufdup:

Who are you to determine who is native or not. You are no authority...
:comeon:

I told you to watch the video first or keep quiet. But since you want to use arrogant cac tactics - cactics, if you will - and purport to know more about African Americans than actual African Americans, you will now be ignored for trolling.
 
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