Terrible crap going down in Burma

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What would success, with these strategies, look like for the Rohingya?

They and their broader community would have to define that, not me. But my guess is that the minimum they're looking for is to be recognized as citizens with the rights of citizens and for the violent killing and dislocation of their people by government, government-supported, or government-condoned forces to cease.
 

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September 15, 2017 12:00AM EDT
Burma: Military Torches Homes Near Border

New Satellite Images, Data Show 62 Destroyed Rohingya Villages




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Smoke is seen rising from Burma’s Taung Pyo Let War village from across the border in Bangladesh.

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(Dhaka) – The Burmese military is deliberately burning ethnic Rohingya villages near the Bangladesh border, Human Rights Watch said today. Such acts of arson, after forcing residents to leave their villages, appear central to the Burmese military’s ethnic cleansing campaignagainst the Rohingya Muslim population in Burma’s Rakhine State.

Human Rights Watch released new satellite imagery and sensory data showing that 62 villages in northern Rakhine State were targeted by arson attacks between August 25 and September 14, 2017. Human Rights Watch identified 35 of these villages with extensive building destruction from very high resolution satellite imagery, and an additional 26 villages that had active fires detected in near-real time with environmental satellite sensors.




“Our field research backs what the satellite imagery has indicated – that the Burmese military is directly responsible for the mass burning of Rohingya villages in northern Rakhine State,” said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director. “The United Nations and member countries should urgently impose measures on the Burmese government to stop these atrocities and end the forced flight of Rohingya from Burma.”

Human Rights Watch conducted a detailed building damage assessment in 6 of the 35 affected villages and identified nearly complete destruction in each case. The total number of destroyed buildings was 948.


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On the morning of September 13, Human Rights Watch observed from Bangladesh large plumes of thick, black smoke from the Rohingya border village of Taung Pyo Let Yar in Maungdaw township. A video confirmed to have been taken from a hill overlooking the village shows several buildings burning in the unoccupied village and two large, dark-colored trucks several hundred meters away. Village residents stranded at the border described the vehicles as “military trucks” that had previously entered the village. Three villagers who observed the fires from the hill said that the smoke came from fires set in village buildings.
Fatima, 50, who had fled Taung Pyo Let Yar, told Human Rights Watch that after she saw smoke rise from the village, she climbed a hill to see if her home was on fire. When she reached the top, she saw her home engulfed by a column of smoke. Other nearby homes were also burning. She said that she had fled on August 31 when trucks carrying Burmese soldiers arrived in the village. The soldiers jumped out of the trucks carrying guns, frightening her, so she ran several hundred meters into the “no-man’s land” at the Bangladeshi border. “When we see the army we just ran away from the village – hundreds ran,” Fatima said. “We just brought our children.”

Mohamed Sahed, 50, climbed the same hill and said that he saw his two trucks and a car burning in front of his house, which was also consumed by fire. He said he saw at least four soldiers in the village. His son, Mohamed Shufi, 24, said that earlier that morning he and two other villagers had re-entered Burma and were heading back to their homes to get wood for cooking at their temporary camp at the border. But when they were still hundreds of meters from the village, a half-dozen Burmese soldiers spotted them and hurled rocks at them using slingshots. The three villagers ran back across the border and hid.




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A screen grab of a video shows two dark-colored Burmese military trucks within several hundred meters of a burning village.

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A screen grab shows open flames in the burning village.

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Earlier in the week, Human Rights Watch directly observed a Burmese military patrol operating within 600 meters of Taung Pyo Let Yar. Rohingya refugees also said that they saw patrols of at least 40 Burmese soldiers operating within meters of the border fence and several hundred meters of the village nearly every day. Several people at the border said that a Burmese border guard police post was located within 200 meters of Taung Pyo Let Yar, and that since August 31, the Burmese military had routinely occupied houses in the village and used the border guard outpost.

Satellite detection of multiple active fires on September 11 and 13 suggest that villages in new areas of Maungdaw township are now being targeted for destruction. Because of heavy cloud cover, it is almost certain that the actual number of fire-affected villages in the townships of Maungdaw, Buthidaung, and Rathedaung is considerably higher. UN Secretary-General António Guterres and human rights chief Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein have indicated that the Burmese military’s actions amount to ethnic cleansing. Burmese government statements seemingly support these conclusions. Zaw Htay, a Burmese government spokesman, told the media that of 471 villages targeted in “clearance operations” by the military, 176 are now empty and at least 34 others partially abandoned.

The Burmese military’s operations in northern Rakhine State followed a series of coordinated armed attacks by the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) on August 25 against more than 30 Burmese government police stations and checkpoints, government offices, and an army base. The Burmese government alleges that Rohingya militants and villagers are responsible for burning buildings in villages across Rakhine State, but has so far failed to provide evidence of this claim.

Although “ethnic cleansing” is not formally defined under international law, a UN Commission of Experts has described ethnic cleansing as a “purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.… This purpose appears to be the occupation of territory to the exclusion of the purged group or groups.”

“The sightings of Burmese military vehicles and soldiers in a Rohingya village as it goes up in flames fills in some blank spaces of the overwhelming satellite imagery of destruction,” Robertson said. “Concerned governments need to convey the message to Burma’s Sr. Gen. Min Aung Hlaing and other senior commanders that they could be implicated in grave crimes unless they act swiftly to stop the atrocities and hold those responsible to account.”



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She was a political prisoner for a long time, noble peace prize winner, current head of state, and also a rubber stamp for the junta despite hopes she would move the country towards democracy from what I understand.

One wouldn't think she wouldn't be embracing a genocide. That said I frankly don't think she has much power.

She's incredibly suspect.

Talks about peace and her suffering to get to this position but is all quiet about this genocide. Never mind the western world ignoring most of it.

If you're all about peace, people would at least expect her to talk out about her government literally killing and displacing relatively innocent people.

Which is why I said Mother Theresa. Media and western world propped her up as some saint of peace but behind the scenes this is the person.


Correct fam.

But she's way too quiet, even if she doesn't have much power she does have influence. Her keeping quiet basically means she's complicit.



Normally I wouldn't be this deep into this shyt but it annoys me when people like these are propped up as saints and in the end they're not.

Hmmm that's interesting. I wasn't aware of her background at all. Just read this article and it touches on all the points that you laid out: Aung San Suu Kyi, the Ignoble Laureate
 

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I don't care...Muslims discriminate and abuse every other religious minority in their countries :hubie: finally they're getting a taste of their own medicine...
 

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And it's getting even worse. India is looking at them facing ethnic cleansing in their own country....and deciding that's the exact time to deport all its Rohingya too.

On August 8, the Home Ministry sent a notice to all states asking them to identify and start the process of deporting Rohingyas.

"Illegal migrants are more vulnerable for getting recruited by terrorist organisations.


Where da fukk they gonna deport them to when they're getting slaughtered in their own country? :dwillhuh:




It looks like the push to deport Rohingya is being driven by anti-Muslim elements of the ruling party in India:

In the violence of Partition, Rakesh Gupta’s family fled Pakistan-occupied Kashmir to seek refuge in Jammu. Seventy years later, he is running a campaign against another set of persecuted minorities fleeing violence, living on the fringes of Jammu – Rohingya Muslims from Myanmar.

If the government does not deport Rohingyas, we will identify and kill them,” Rakesh says without any emotion. “Otherwise, people will have no choice but to deport them against the law. It can be civil war or communal riots.” Rakesh is the president of the Jammu Chamber of Commerce and Industry (JCCI).

:mindblown:

Wait, who are the terrorists - the random refugees who haven't had a single terrorist act in the entire nation connected to them, or the guy straight-up threatening genocide if the government doesn't get on board with his ethnic cleansing program first?



They sound like fukking Trump supporters with their grasp of facts:

In February this year, Hunar Gupta, a member of the BJP’s legal cell filed a PIL in the J&K high court asking for their deportation, citing ‘national security’. “A lawyer can be called the master of all jacks,” says Hunar who believes law can enlighten people about their rights. He also believes that Rohingyas don’t deserve any rights. “We’ll give rights to outsiders while our own starve?” he asks. “As per latest data the number is enormous. I just saw the other day that 30,000,000 Bangladeshis and Rohingyas have infiltrated India.” When asked about the source of this figure, he replies, “I saw it on television”.

According to the Centre, there are 40,000 Rohingyas in India. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has registered 16,500 Rohingyas in India, who’ve been issued refugee cards. Of these, about 5,700 are in Jammu while the rest are spread across Delhi, Jaipur and Hyderabad. The state police and CID have been monitoring the Rohingyas closely. Both agencies have lists with names and numbers of Rohingyas living in the city, as well as records of arrivals and departures. This ‘census’ was last carried out about two-three months ago. Unlike Hunar’s claim, the number of Rohingyas was found to have gone up by 800-1,000 compared to last year.

An actual member of the ruling party's legal arm filed the case based on SOMETHING HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN ON TELEVISION even though his claim is 75,000% higher than his own government's actual estimate. :snoop:



An Indian newspaper looked into how much violence the 5,743 Rohingya living in Jammu had actually been involved in:

On January 20th this year, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti told the Assembly that 'no Rohingya in Jammu and Kashmir has been found involved in militancy related incidents. No instance of radicalizing (of) these foreigners has been reported so far.'

She said, '17 FIRs have been registered against Rohingyas for various offences, including those relating to illegal border crossing.'

NDTV found that of these 17 FIRs, the two cases are against Bangladeshis and one against a Pakistani. So effectively, there are only 14 FIRs against 5,743 Rohingya Muslims, a crime rate of 0.24%.

We tracked down every single one of the 14 FIRs or first information reports to find the following: eight cases for lack of visa, two cases of rape, one case of cow slaughter, one case for causing injury, one case for selling goods in the black market and one for stealing railway property.

These findings were matched by what the senior police officials in Jammu told NDTV.

'I haven't seen anything alarming in terms of their (Rohingya Muslims) criminal records. They are involved in petty theft like other groups of that social economic situation. But we haven't found anything alarming or their involvement in organized groups or very sensational nature cases so far,' said Dr SD Singh, Inspector General of Police, Jammu.

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Hmm, let me quote that to you again:

"There was an attack on a police post where twelve officers were killed, and the government has responded with full-on ethnic cleansing mode, burning down villages and shooting people execution style."

Do you not realize that it WAS an attempt at anti-government violence that led to the current crisis?

It kills me when someone is so ideologically stuck that they can't even take in evidence against their position when it's staring them right in the face. There has been militant, violent opposition to the Burmese government for decades - the KIA, the KNU, the NDAA, the SSA-N, the MNDAA, the KNLA, the ALA, the Arakan Army, and the Karenni Army are all militant opposition groups. The Rohingya in particular have been fighting against Burma for decades. Literally every major government purge of civilians is in response to what a group of rebels did. This latest outbreak of violence is in response to a newer group, the ARSA, which launched one major series of attacks in October/November of last year (met with retaliatory violence), and then launched another huge attack on August 25th which led to the current purge.


How the hell is a total national disaster brought on by a violent attack leading you to cape for more violent attacks? :gucci:


The people shouldn't "allow" anything to happen to them, their best hope is if they actively resist en mass. But time and time again it has been shown that active nonviolent resistance is by far their best bet, especially in a situation like this one where they are massively outnumbered and outgunned by their opposition. Try to retaliate with violence, and you not only will have no chance of military success, but you'll increase the suffering of your own people that much more, and waste any chance you had and international sympathy and intervention.

So minority id violently attacks majority id, majority id retaliates and minority id tries to pull ethnic cleaning card once they start getting that work?

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