Terrible crap going down in Burma
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“When one-third of the Rohingya population had to flee the country, can you find a better word to describe it?”
No more equivocating: U.N. chief finally calls Rohingya crackdown ‘ethnic cleansing’
A third of Rohinyga villages have been abandoned as over 300,000 fled violence, seeking shelter in Bangladesh
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“When one-third of the Rohingya population had to flee the country, can you find a better word to describe it?”
No more equivocating: U.N. chief finally calls Rohingya crackdown ‘ethnic cleansing’
A third of Rohinyga villages have been abandoned as over 300,000 fled violence, seeking shelter in Bangladesh
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Hmm, let me quote that to you again:
"There was an attack on a police post where twelve officers were killed, and the government has responded with full-on ethnic cleansing mode, burning down villages and shooting people execution style."
Do you not realize that it WAS an attempt at anti-government violence that led to the current crisis?
It kills me when someone is so ideologically stuck that they can't even take in evidence against their position when it's staring them right in the face. There has been militant, violent opposition to the Burmese government for decades - the KIA, the KNU, the NDAA, the SSA-N, the MNDAA, the KNLA, the ALA, the Arakan Army, and the Karenni Army are all militant opposition groups. The Rohingya in particular have been fighting against Burma for decades. Literally every major government purge of civilians is in response to what a group of rebels did. This latest outbreak of violence is in response to a newer group, the ARSA, which launched one major series of attacks in October/November of last year (met with retaliatory violence), and then launched another huge attack on August 25th which led to the current purge.
How the hell is a total national disaster brought on by a violent attack leading you to cape for more violent attacks?
The people shouldn't "allow" anything to happen to them, their best hope is if they actively resist en mass. But time and time again it has been shown that active nonviolent resistance is by far their best bet, especially in a situation like this one where they are massively outnumbered and outgunned by their opposition. Try to retaliate with violence, and you not only will have no chance of military success, but you'll increase the suffering of your own people that much more, and waste any chance you had and international sympathy and intervention.
what do you mean she's like Mother T (I know about the mother theresa shyt. Put me up on her)
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She was a political prisoner for a long time, noble peace prize winner, current head of state, and also a rubber stamp for the junta despite hopes she would move the country towards democracy from what I understand.
One wouldn't think she wouldn't be embracing a genocide. That said I frankly don't think she has much power.
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Hmm, let me quote that to you again:
"There was an attack on a police post where twelve officers were killed, and the government has responded with full-on ethnic cleansing mode, burning down villages and shooting people execution style."
Do you not realize that it WAS an attempt at anti-government violence that led to the current crisis?
It kills me when someone is so ideologically stuck that they can't even take in evidence against their position when it's staring them right in the face. There has been militant, violent opposition to the Burmese government for decades - the KIA, the KNU, the NDAA, the SSA-N, the MNDAA, the KNLA, the ALA, the Arakan Army, and the Karenni Army are all militant opposition groups. The Rohingya in particular have been fighting against Burma for decades. Literally every major government purge of civilians is in response to what a group of rebels did. This latest outbreak of violence is in response to a newer group, the ARSA, which launched one major series of attacks in October/November of last year (met with retaliatory violence), and then launched another huge attack on August 25th which led to the current purge.
How the hell is a total national disaster brought on by a violent attack leading you to cape for more violent attacks?
The people shouldn't "allow" anything to happen to them, their best hope is if they actively resist en mass. But time and time again it has been shown that active nonviolent resistance is by far their best bet, especially in a situation like this one where they are massively outnumbered and outgunned by their opposition. Try to retaliate with violence, and you not only will have no chance of military success, but you'll increase the suffering of your own people that much more, and waste any chance you had and international sympathy and intervention.
I was not aware of these details.
I was aware of your ridiculous belief that people should lay down and die.She's incredibly suspect.
Talks about peace and her suffering to get to this position but is all quiet about this genocide. Never mind the western world ignoring most of it.
If you're all about peace, people would at least expect her to talk out about her government literally killing and displacing relatively innocent people.
Which is why I said Mother Theresa. Media and western world propped her up as some saint of peace but behind the scenes this is the person.
Correct fam.
But she's way too quiet, even if she doesn't have much power she does have influence. Her keeping quiet basically means she's complicit.
Normally I wouldn't be this deep into this shyt but it annoys me when people like these are propped up as saints and in the end they're not.
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But I don't have that belief.
I believe that active nonviolent resistance is more often effective than violent resistance, with a better success rate, fewer casualties, and a much greater likelihood of a legitimate government resulting. And I've given you both the data and the anecdotes to back that shyt up in a previous thread.
* Violent resistance is effective less often because once you turn it into a question of military force, you're giving an advantage to the oppressor who has more firepower.
* Violent resistance leads to more casualties on your end because it almost always results in multiple escalations of force by the opposition
* Violent resistance tends to lead to the oppressor being replaced by another oppressive government, partly because the "winner" will have done so by handing their power over to a military leader who is likely just to take dictatorial control over the new country, and partly because you took so many causalities and caused so much trauma on the way to victory that you're likely to have a scarred, traumatized, and divided people to rule.
You haven't been able to argue with the data I linked. You haven't been able to argue with the examples I've given. You haven't been able to argue with the logic I've laid out. The ONLY thing holding up your side is that human beings are naturally violent so it "feels" right, and it "feels" more active. What the hell kind of evidence could even effect your viewpoint at this stage?
This is pissing me off. Just last night I was doing an interview with a foreign journalist and the conversation turned to the Rohingya, and HE pulled out photos to show me that I was 100% sure came from the oil truck explosion in the DRC back in 2010. When even journalists and state officials are spreading these fake pictures, what the hell is the chance that regular people will get accurate information?
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What would success, with these strategies, look like for the Rohingya?