Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Posts Super Thread (Uppin 4 ol times sake))

[kej718]

And bum ass Omar Figurora beat Spence in the ametuers.. Jeff Horn was coming off a win vs Pacquiao too.. See how that works...

Pac left TR and the fights happened cause Pac was pushing 40 and they thought he was food..
Bud Left TR and a year later we don't have a fight. They need to age him out just a lil more..
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As far as the rest.. All I know is TR initiated contact to make fights with the PBC fighters.. It was never vice versa...

They went directly to the fighters not thier advisor? Why? They know Al handles their business. Arum was trying to sign them to Top Rank to make those fights. (He has said it him self right after he sued Haymon). That's another thing people forget. Top Rank tried to sue Haymon for hundreds of millions and lost, but everyone still expects them to turn the other cheek after all the foul shyt they tried to do.

For example Eleider Alvarez had to sign a deal with them to a shot at Kovalev. Haymon realses him so he could get those fights. They always want everything in their favor when doing fights with PBC fighters. Crawford vs Porter wasn't a joint promotion.

As far as Crawford not getting the fight done its not that hard to see why. He doesn't have a promoter, and his advisor is wanted by the FBI, so he is probably negotiating a fight for the first time on his own. The delay has to be from his side because he probably hasn't handled the business side on his own.

Porter and his Father had to go to the Top Rank office themselves to get their fight.

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they eventually made the fight a year later when they realized Crawford was leaving any way.

I'm not even going to argue with people back and forth if you got sources for anything I'll take a look I may have missed something it's possible. I just posted one for my argument.

 

[kej718]

sounds like al haymon knows spence is gonna lose so he's covering all of his bases

No Al Haymon takes care of his guys. That is what an advisor is supposed to do right?

This in not like DAZN telling Wilder he has to sign with them to get a Joshua fight. The most they do is a rematch close.

They can give thier guys better splits, because they can see what they generate. For Crawford all we keep hearing about is how bad his PPV numbers are, and how his promoter is always losing money.

It's not that hard to see the delay in making the fight. Why would you over pay a guy that is not proven on PPV like a Canelo that is not signed to you? No other promoter does it.

He will get a guarantee it won't be something like 10 million, but probably 2-4 plus a PPV percentage.

 

[seemorecizzy]

No Al Haymon takes care of his guys. That is what an advisor is supposed to do right?

This in not like DAZN telling Wilder he has to sign with them to get a Joshua fight. The most they do is a rematch close.

They can give thier guys better splits, because they can see what they generate. For Crawford all we keep hearing about is how bad his PPV numbers are, and how his promoter is always losing money.

It's not that hard to see the delay in making the fight. Why would you over pay a guy that is not proven on PPV like a Canelo that is not signed to you? No other promoter does it.

He will get a guarantee it won't be something like 10 million, but probably 2-4 plus a PPV percentage.

keep hearing from who?
bob fukkin arum?
this guy didnt even know what to do with floyd mayweather lmao

 

[desjardins]

That's another thing people forget. Top Rank tried to sue Haymon for hundreds of millions and lost,

No need to lie breh
Haymon settled with both TR and GBP so the case never made it to discovery and made them sign a NDA.

 

[Black_Jesus]

They went directly to the fighters not thier advisor? Why? They know Al handles their business. Arum was trying to sign them to Top Rank to make those fights. (He has said it him self right after he sued Haymon). That's another thing people forget. Top Rank tried to sue Haymon for hundreds of millions and lost, but everyone still expects them to turn the other cheek after all the foul shyt they tried to do.

For example Eleider Alvarez had to sign a deal with them to a shot at Kovalev. Haymon realses him so he could get those fights. They always want everything in their favor when doing fights with PBC fighters. Crawford vs Porter wasn't a joint promotion.

As far as Crawford not getting the fight done its not that hard to see why. He doesn't have a promoter, and his advisor is wanted by the FBI, so he is probably negotiating a fight for the first time on his own. The delay has to be from his side because he probably hasn't handled the business side on his own.

Porter and his Father had to go to the Top Rank office themselves to get their fight.

Boxing News: Porter rejects "lowball" offer to fight Crawford » October 6, 2022

they eventually made the fight a year later when they realized Crawford was leaving any way.

I'm not even going to argue with people back and forth if you got sources for anything I'll take a look I may have missed something it's possible. I just posted one for my argument.

TR went to the fighters because the fighters claim they fight on a fight to fight basis, they are their own promoters, they are their own boss, and they arent tied to any networks. How you think Haymon fighters like Porter or Jacobs fought on other networks?? ..If TR went to the fighters then what stopped the PBC fighters from getting Haymon involved and pursuing any further talks and communications.. Absolutely nothing.. They just didn't want the smoke

Large corporations sue other large entities all the time in business.. Its business and not personal.. If Haymon was in his feeling like that we wouldn't have gotten several other fights between Haymon advised fighters vs Top Rank fighters

Elider Alvarez signed to fight Kovalev for the strap cause he couldn't get a shot vs Stevenson.. Whats the problem?? nikkas sign new deals with new networks everyday. Haymon released him cause Haymon refused to make Stevenson vs Alvarez when Alvarez was the damn mandatory.. Kovalev is not even a Top Rank fighter lol

Crawford vs Porter wasn't a joint promotion because Haymon did not want to put up any money for the fight.. Porter didn't need to go to TR to make the fight.. They needed to go to the WBO and petition to have their mandatory status activated..They refused to do so because they know Haymon wouldn't bid on the fight.. thats why it took so long.. the WBO got fed up with ducking nikkas like Porter, Danny, and Virgil, so they made Porter the mandatory so he could either fight or officially duck...And it was still Top Rank that made a deal with them anyway and didn't even go to purse bid knowing Bud was on his way out.. Haymon contributed ZERO to the fight..

nikka you talking to people that follow the sport and have discussed this shyt extensively in the main thread.. Just go back and look.. I dont need to post a source for everything I'm saying.. If you want a source for something specific just say the word cause like I said it was always TR initiating communication to get fights made with PBC amd never vice versa

 

[desjardins]

Large corporations sue other large entities all the time in business.. Its business and not personal.. If Haymon was in his feeling like that we wouldn't have gotten several other fights between Haymon advised fighters vs Top Rank fighters

Right, Haymon did multiple mega PPVs with TR after that lawsuit/settlement anyway.
For whatever reason he didn't want any of his guys to fight Bud. shyt maybe he still don't if they can't figure this Spence situation out

 

[kej718]

No need to lie breh
Haymon settled with both TR and GBP so the case never made it to discovery and made them sign a NDA.

It was Golden Boy that the case was dismissed.
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Settled with Top Rank cause they were trying to make the fight between Floyd and Manny.

 

[kej718]

Right, Haymon did multiple mega PPVs with TR after that lawsuit/settlement anyway.
For whatever reason he didn't want any of his guys to fight Bud. shyt maybe he still don't if they can't figure this Spence situation out

The Porters went over to the Top Rank offices in 2020 and were low balled. I posted the article already in this thread. They made the fight the next year after getting a better offer cause Crawford was leaving anyway.

Here is Arum discussing why the fights didn't get made.

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Top Rank and PBC did the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight and what Fury vs Wilder? What other events did they do together on PPV? I can't remember.

 

[kej718]

TR went to the fighters because the fighters claim they fight on a fight to fight basis, they are their own promoters, they are their own boss, and they arent tied to any networks. How you think Haymon fighters like Porter or Jacobs fought on other networks?? ..If TR went to the fighters then what stopped the PBC fighters from getting Haymon involved and pursuing any further talks and communications.. Absolutely nothing.. They just didn't want the smoke

Large corporations sue other large entities all the time in business.. Its business and not personal.. If Haymon was in his feeling like that we wouldn't have gotten several other fights between Haymon advised fighters vs Top Rank fighters

Elider Alvarez signed to fight Kovalev for the strap cause he couldn't get a shot vs Stevenson.. Whats the problem?? nikkas sign new deals with new networks everyday. Haymon released him cause Haymon refused to make Stevenson vs Alvarez when Alvarez was the damn mandatory.. Kovalev is not even a Top Rank fighter lol

Crawford vs Porter wasn't a joint promotion because Haymon did not want to put up any money for the fight.. Porter didn't need to go to TR to make the fight.. They needed to go to the WBO and petition to have their mandatory status activated..They refused to do so because they know Haymon wouldn't bid on the fight.. thats why it took so long.. the WBO got fed up with ducking nikkas like Porter, Danny, and Virgil, so they made Porter the mandatory so he could either fight or officially duck...And it was still Top Rank that made a deal with them anyway and didn't even go to purse bid knowing Bud was on his way out.. Haymon contributed ZERO to the fight..

nikka you talking to people that follow the sport and have discussed this shyt extensively in the main thread.. Just go back and look.. I dont need to post a source for everything I'm saying.. If you want a source for something specific just say the word cause like I said it was always TR initiating communication to get fights made with PBC amd never vice versa

Stevenson, Alvarez, Beterbiev were all with Yvonne Michele at one point. He was the one that didn't want to put his fighters in against each other.

Haymon is the advisor. When Stevenson wanted the Kovalev fight they pushed for it to go to a purse bid and Kovalevs team back out. If the fighters want the fights it will happen. The WBC even made it a 50/50 split for it to happen.

As far as the Crawford vs Porter mandatory situation

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In lieu of a traditional 80/20 purse split, Porter would be entitled to 40% of the total pot in the event the fight goes to a purse bid hearing, with Crawford due the remaining 60%. The ruling was made after an extensive evaluation of the previous three fight purses earned by each boxer, a policy occasionally enforced by the WBO Championship Committee when challengers such as Porter boast exceptional credentials.

If it was an 80/20 split the fight would never had happened. Who else was Crawford going to fight at that point?

The WBO was pretty much a Top Rank belt. Austin Trout sued them at one point.

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PBC fighters were rarely in thier rankings until recently.

I'm posting links for everything now. Post them if you got them.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Right, Haymon did multiple mega PPVs with TR after that lawsuit/settlement anyway.
For whatever reason he didn't want any of his guys to fight Bud. shyt maybe he still don't if they can't figure this Spence situation out

Exactly my point which is why these nikkas sound dumb as hell saying stupid shyt like Why would Haymon work with them after the lawsuit... When he did on multiple occasions both ppv and non ppv... I wouldn't say Haymon didn't want his guys to fight Bud cause there's no way we could know that for sure.. What we do know is those guys wanted ZERO smoke with Carwford when they were holding straps and there was a combined effort to freeze him out.. Guys like Porter and Thurman came sniffing around only after they were beltless and had nothing to lose.. They deserved to be lowballed.. they were not making the amount of money they were asking Bud for

 

[ba'al]

I skimmed through the thread and see nikkas arguing over contract shyt. So I take that as a sign these dudes not finna fight any time soon, huh?

 

[desjardins]

They deserved to be lowballed.. they were not making the amount of money they were asking Bud for

yea, this is where the whole "PBC fighters make money off the concessions and merch sold" shyt started. Everybody was allegedly getting 4 times their published purse according to the stans . Least that shyt slowed down now that's it's clear majority them dudes getting scraps

 

[Sauce and Footwork]

I skimmed through the thread and see nikkas arguing over contract shyt. So I take that as a sign these dudes not finna fight any time soon, huh?

 

[ba'al]

I saw a clip someone posted in the random boxing thoughts thread with AB saying that showtime couldn't give BUD or Errol any guarantees.


What's the hold up?

 

[TheNig]

Exactly my point which is why these nikkas sound dumb as hell saying stupid shyt like Why would Haymon work with them after the lawsuit... When he did on multiple occasions both ppv and non ppv... I wouldn't say Haymon didn't want his guys to fight Bud cause there's no way we could know that for sure.. What we do know is those guys wanted ZERO smoke with Carwford when they were holding straps and there was a combined effort to freeze him out.. Guys like Porter and Thurman came sniffing around only after they were beltless and had nothing to lose.. They deserved to be lowballed.. they were not making the amount of money they were asking Bud for

Porter actually talked about this with Randy Gordon and Gerry c00ney yesterday. Basically said that Crawford agreed to everything but wants a few incentives and PBC won't budge.