Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Posts Super Thread (Uppin 4 ol times sake))

[kej718]

What Crawford brings to the table is that 1 belt which is what Spence needs to get undisputed status(something Crawford and other great fighters have already accomplished) And also Spence vs Crawford is the biggest most anticipated fight in boxing today where Spence and Crawford will rake in revenue. Certainly more than Spence has ever brought in.. And Spence needs it since his numbers been on the decline since he brought up the lightweight mikey garcia and still went the distance

Wilder n Fury happened because both fighters wanted the fight.. Same with Canelo and Plant.. when both fighters want to fight then fights get made. ggg n Canelo ain't wanna fight Ward.. theme guys ain't wanna fight Andrade.. don't Blame business or networks
We couldn't even get Spence to say "I want Crawford next" until 2022... He was happy hiding behind politics and imaginary sides of streets..

They are looking at it from a business perspective but it's more like a ducking perspective.. they wanna protect Spence from Crawford by any means.. Fury came in and took the belt from Wilder. Canelo came in and took the belt from Plant.. It seems like they don't have the confidence in Spence beating Crawford.. it looks like they need to stall the fight longer in order to age Bud out..

You talk about imaginary side of the street like it doesn't matter. When Top Rank had Pacquao who did he fight that wasn't signed to them? The PBC wanted those fights but they never got made right? When they had to most of the titles on there side fighters had to leave the PBC to get those fights right? Danny Jacobs had to sign with DAZN to get the fights he wanted, and was allowed to do so. Spence said he would get all the belts on his side and then fight Crawford. If it wasn't for a car accident and eye surgery we would have got to this point already.

Why would they duck him, and keep bringing up the fight in the prefight and post fight interviews?

Its not them holding it up, based on the ESPN article it is Bud that's holding it up.

Crawford hasn't been with TR for a year and guess what.. We still ain't got no fight.. so from a logical point of view.. It was never Bud or TR stopping the fight. It was the guy who did what he said he was gonna do.. Which is duck and milk an imaginary side of the street for 4 years before having the confidence to finally say he want Bud next... If Haymon and Spence putting up the money then it's on them to get the fight made especially after Bud done left TR and is a free agent and has agreed to the splits and lowball offers according to the same source you're using to claim Bud wants transparency

How was Porter washed up?? He was outboxed and stopped late in the fight.. Porter was beaten more convincingly by Brook and Thurman too(arguably Ugas)... he was able to make Spence look bad cause Spence is overrated.. And as for Brook.. One fought him coming off a KO loss plus injuries and surgeries after dropping down from 160.. One fought him coming off a winning streak dropping from 154... I give Bud more credit than someone beating him coming off a KO loss..

Bud is not with Top Rank anymore that is correct, do you know who his advisor is? Daniel Kinahan? That guy is the reason why Fury can't fight in the US right now. So on top of trying to make this fight they have to make sure that guy is not involved while he is wanted by the fukking FBI. Porter was a legit win but you can't be serious about Brook (Sergey Rabchenko, Michael Zerafa, and Mark DeLuca) was his 3 fight winning streak. Spence beat him after a prime GGG, and broke the other side of his face.
Spence fought Mikey (after beating Broner, Lipinets, Easter), Porter (after Garcia, and Ugas (thought he won), Danny Garcia was his come back fight after a car accident, Ugas after Eye surgery and beating Pacquiao.

Crawford fought Khan (after he got dropped by Samuel Vargas), Kavaliauskas (after a draw with Ray Robinson), Brook (already listed his 3 fights), Porter was the last fight on his contract.

 

[Black_Jesus]

You talk about imaginary side of the street like it doesn't matter. When Top Rank had Pacquao who did he fight that wasn't signed to them? The PBC wanted those fights but they never got made right? When they had to most of the titles on there side fighters had to leave the PBC to get those fights right? Danny Jacobs had to sign with DAZN to get the fights he wanted, and was allowed to do so. Spence said he would get all the belts on his side and then fight Crawford. If it wasn't for a car accident and eye surgery we would have got to this point already.

Why would they duck him, and keep bringing up the fight in the prefight and post fight interviews?

Its not them holding it up, based on the ESPN article it is Bud that's holding it up.

Bud is not with Top Rank anymore that is correct, do you know who his advisor is? Daniel Kinahan? That guy is the reason why Fury can't fight in the US right now. So on top of trying to make this fight they have to make sure that guy is not involved while he is wanted by the fukking FBI. Porter was a legit win but you can't be serious about Brook (Sergey Rabchenko, Michael Zerafa, and Mark DeLuca) was his 3 fight winning streak. Spence beat him after a prime GGG, and broke the other side of his face.
Spence fought Mikey (after beating Broner, Lipinets, Easter), Porter (after Garcia, and Ugas (thought he won), Danny Garcia was his come back fight after a car accident, Ugas after Eye surgery and beating Pacquiao.

Crawford fought Khan (after he got dropped by Samuel Vargas), Kavaliauskas (after a draw with Ray Robinson), Brook (already listed his 3 fights), Porter was the last fight on his contract.

When Pacquiao was with TR he fought Shane Mosley.. Sent Danny Garcia an offer which was turned down, Sent Marcos Maidana an offer and was turned down and fought Floyd of course.. So that side of the street crap is imaginary just like I said.. Thats the excuse Spence nuthuggers made to excuse 3-4 yrs of ducking.. PBC never attempted to negotiate or make any offers with Pac.. stop the cap Danny Garcia fought ggg on HBO and Canelo on DAZN because those companies offered more money.. not some low ball take it or leave it bullshyt.. Thats why why when Jacobs punched Charlo in that hallway and told him "I'm getting Ms" he had no real comeback..
Spence never needed all the other belts to fight Crawford.. thats what he told you Spence nuthuggers in order to justify the duck..

And right now they are the ones holding up the fight if you wanna go by recent reports they already giving him a lowball offer.. no guarantee.. all his money is coming from the backend net revenue. Unlike anyone else Soence has faced... So all Bud is asking for is transparency on the money.. Why is that a problem??

Anyway you slice it, Crawford made easy work out of Soence toughest opponents.. one of those opponents Spence fought coming off a KO loss..

 

[kej718]

When Pacquiao was with TR he fought Shane Mosley.. Sent Danny Garcia an offer which was turned down, Sent Marcos Maidana an offer and was turned down and fought Floyd of course.. So that side of the street crap is imaginary just like I said.. Thats the excuse Spence nuthuggers made to excuse 3-4 yrs of ducking.. PBC never attempted to negotiate or make any offers with Pac.. stop the cap Danny Garcia fought ggg on HBO and Canelo on DAZN because those companies offered more money.. not some low ball take it or leave it bullshyt.. Thats why why when Jacobs punched Charlo in that hallway and told him "I'm getting Ms" he had no real comeback..
Spence never needed all the other belts to fight Crawford.. thats what he told you Spence nuthuggers in order to justify the duck..

And right now they are the ones holding up the fight if you wanna go by recent reports they already giving him a lowball offer.. no guarantee.. all his money is coming from the backend net revenue. Unlike anyone else Soence has faced... So all Bud is asking for is transparency on the money.. Why is that a problem??

Anyway you slice it, Crawford made easy work out of Soence toughest opponents.. one of those opponents Spence fought coming off a KO loss..

You got sources for any of those offers? Numbers?
How can you say they were made an offer but the PBC didn't want to negotiate?
Jacobs never punched Charlo what are you talking about?

Crawford could have made Garcia, Thurman, etc an offer. He could have even fought Mikey Garcia. Of course Crawford looked good against Spence past opponents years after giving them their worst beatings in the ring. Spences resume at 147 is better and there is no way around it.

You don't even know what the hold up is Crawford hasn't said anything.

Crawford has made horrible business decisions his whole career.
Resigned to Top Rank
Made Kinahan his advisor
Now you are negotiating the biggest fight of your career on your own.

Look at every Spence opponent in the past. They all got a lot more then they brought to the table.

Arum: If Someone Comes & Offers Terence A Lot More Money, He’d Be A Fool Not To Take It

Arum doesn’t think influential adviser Al Haymon will try to align Crawford with Premier Boxing Champions, the organization Haymon launched in 2015. Working with Haymon’s PBC would obviously make it easier for Crawford to secure the most meaningful fight for him, an ever-elusive welterweight title unification fight versus rival Errol Spence Jr.

“I think it would be stupid for the PBC [to sign Crawford],” Arum said. “Look, you have to understand the economics of the business. The pay-per-view business being done by the cable systems and the satellite providers is in the toilet. The business, the big business, as proven by the UFC, by tonight, by the Tyson Fury fight [against Deontay Wilder], is being done by ESPN+. And we have a contract with ESPN that nobody can put a fight on ESPN+ except Top Rank. So, now if they wanna go and do a fight without Top Rank and without ESPN, that’s up to them. But I think it would be really foolish for them to do it, for everybody to do it.”

These are the type of offers they was giving right?

 

[Black_Jesus]

You got sources for any of those offers? Numbers?
How can you say they were made an offer but the PBC didn't want to negotiate?
Jacobs never punched Charlo what are you talking about?

Crawford could have made Garcia, Thurman, etc an offer. He could have even fought Mikey Garcia. Of course Crawford looked good against Spence past opponents years after giving them their worst beatings in the ring. Spences resume at 147 is better and there is no way around it.

You don't even know what the hold up is Crawford hasn't said anything.

Crawford has made horrible business decisions his whole career.
Resigned to Top Rank
Made Kinahan his advisor
Now you are negotiating the biggest fight of your career on your own.

Look at every Spence opponent in the past. They all got a lot more then they brought to the table.

Arum: If Someone Comes & Offers Terence A Lot More Money, He’d Be A Fool Not To Take It

These are the type of offers they was giving right?

Stop deflecting nikka.. you claimed the PBC fighters wanted all these fights with Pacquiao when Pac was on TR yet it was TR that was the only ones making any offers.. and I named multiple instances where Pac side reached out... Forgot to mention Broner as well.... Them nikkas all declined and preferred to settle for $1-2m guarantees... If you need sources from what I'm telling you it just means you're probably one of these guys that didn't really started paying attention to boxing until Errol Spence hit the scene.. so I can't blame you... Crawford did make Garcia an offer.. they never responded back... Thurmans a duck as well now that he done hit rock bottom he looking to cash out.. None of those cowards wanted any smoke with Bud whatsoever while they held straps.. Everyone here seen that shyt so let's not play stupid

Spence has one of the most overrated resumes in boxing today.. beats Brook coming off ggg stoppage.. then goes for Brook's leftovers Porter, then goes for Porters leftovers Danny and Ugas.. At this pace his next fight will likely be Robert Guerrero or Figurora

 

[kej718]

Stop deflecting nikka.. you claimed the PBC fighters wanted all these fights with Pacquiao when Pac was on TR yet it was TR that was the only ones making any offers.. and I named multiple instances where Pac side reached out... Forgot to mention Broner as well.... Them nikkas all declined and preferred to settle for $1-2m guarantees... If you need sources from what I'm telling you it just means you're probably one of these guys that didn't really started paying attention to boxing until Errol Spence hit the scene.. so I can't blame you... Crawford did make Garcia an offer.. they never responded back... Thurmans a duck as well now that he done hit rock bottom he looking to cash out.. None of those cowards wanted any smoke with Bud whatsoever while they held straps.. Everyone here seen that shyt so let's not play stupid

Spence has one of the most overrated resumes in boxing today.. beats Brook coming off ggg stoppage.. then goes for Brook's leftovers Porter, then goes for Porters leftovers Danny and Ugas.. At this pace his next fight will likely be Robert Guerrero or Figurora

All I asked for was a source cause I never saw any offer. I know Arum was trying to sign PBC fighters, and using Pacquiao's name to try and get them. If it happened you shouldn't have any issues finding an article about it right? I been following boxing since Roy was P4P. I am a Spence fan, I probably been to more of his fights live that any other fighter.

Pacquiao left Top Rank and all of those fights happened.

All I asked was what was the offer? Was there a number amount? PPV percentage? Flat fee?

All those fighters you named are better that anyone Crawford has faced at Welterweight.

Ugas beat Crawford in the amateur's, and was coming off of a win against Pacquiao.

 

[desjardins]

end of the day PBC has FULL CONTROL over making this fight a reality and it's not done yet
if you don't want to blame Spence fine, but you def have to look at Haymon/PBC side ways
This shyt should have been finalized and announced months ago. the only plausible reason hindering the fight has to be money, which would be ridiculous at this stage since this is the biggest fight of Spence's career and PBC got their wish of getting everything on their side of the street
if PBC is moving like this when they hold all of the cards on a fight they marinated for 5+ years then how can you believe they ever negotiated in good faith with TR


At this point Spence might have to pull a Loma and offer up $1-2mil from his purse if PBC is on some cheap shyt. anything to get the deal done at this point

 

[Black_Jesus]

All I asked for was a source cause I never saw any offer. I know Arum was trying to sign PBC fighters, and using Pacquiao's name to try and get them. If it happened you shouldn't have any issues finding an article about it right? I been following boxing since Roy was P4P. I am a Spence fan, I probably been to more of his fights live that any other fighter.

Pacquiao left Top Rank and all of those fights happened.

All I asked was what was the offer? Was there a number amount? PPV percentage? Flat fee?

All those fighters you named are better that anyone Crawford has faced at Welterweight.

Ugas beat Crawford in the amateur's, and was coming off of a win against Pacquiao.

And bum ass Omar Figurora beat Spence in the ametuers.. Jeff Horn was coming off a win vs Pacquiao too.. See how that works...

Pac left TR and the fights happened cause Pac was pushing 40 and they thought he was food..
Bud Left TR and a year later we don't have a fight. They need to age him out just a lil more..
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As far as the rest.. All I know is TR initiated contact to make fights with the PBC fighters.. It was never vice versa...

 

[Unfiltered]

This on Al Haymon and PBC...I remember hearing whispers 2-3 years ago that PBC ain't got money like that

So how does this work? Do let's say this fight happens does the promotion pay the fighters up front and then after the fight when the sales come in the promotion recup their money?

If that's how it works then it's no wonders some go out of business when the sales don't match the payouts upfront. I don't know the boxing side of business.

 

[seemorecizzy]

The fighters want the fight that's a given. The Promoters / Showtime are thinking long term. They got fights that they can make in house. It's like the Wilder vs Fury fight. They are probably making sure that they have options on Crawford's next fight (I believe the winner gets the bigger split in the rematch, which is why Crawford has no choice but to take the smaller split since Spence is the proven A-side).

PBC can put up 40 for Canelo cause he is proven on PPV with the right opponent. I think the Plant fight did like 800K, plus you add the gate for the fight and they made a profit. The Benavidez fight would do numbers. No one wanted to see Bivol or GGG. It's hard to promote a fight when none of the fighters involved speak English .

Bud's issue is his numbers haven't been too good, and most of these people crying about the fight are going to stream it anyway. That is why if you look at the PBC purses for their PPV fights the guarantee isn't that much. The fighters get paid based on how well the PPV did.

They need to stop leaking stuff and negotiate. Usually the PBC fights just get made and you don't here anything about the negotiations. Crawford doesn't have a promoter and his advisor is wanted by the FBI. This is the first fight he is negotiating for himself so of course its going to take time. (Look at Lamar Jackson and the Ravens situation).

Crawford needs to tell his team to STFU, or just come out himself and say what the hold up is?

I don't think the thing holding up the fight is this fight but the ones that happen after it. If you were the PBC and Showtime wouldn't you want the rematch to air on your platform exclusively. If Crawford wins wouldn't you want him to face guys like Ennis, Thurman, Garcia, Charlo on PPV? If they don't lock him in it will end up like the Fury situation. He went to ESPN and took other fights before the rematches.

Spences side has more to lose.
They have more belts
Do better on PPV
They are putting up the money

Crawford is about to get his biggest payday, a shot at Undisputed, and is still a free agent (He can sign with DAZN or ESPN if he gets all the belts). Imagine build up your fighter to be a PPV draw to possibly give it all away to someone that doesn't do half of his numbers to go to another network like Fury did. It's a business before anything. We waited years for Mayweather vs Pacquiao we can wait a few more months for this fight.

sounds like al haymon knows spence is gonna lose so he's covering all of his bases

 

[Master Teacher]

sounds like al haymon knows spence is gonna lose so he's covering all of his bases

Al Haymon doesn't care who wins or loses, he controls the entire boxing industry, DAZN is a failure, Top Rank don't even do pay per view, Haymon is boxing





The fighters decide who the fight ultimately, Al Haymon is like a lawyer who puts the deal together not an employer that dictates what his employees do

 

[Apollo Creed]

Al Haymon doesn't care who wins or loses, he controls the entire boxing industry, DAZN is a failure, Top Rank don't even do pay per view, Haymon is boxing





The fighters decide who the fight ultimately, Al Haymon is like a lawyer who puts the deal together not an employer that dictates what his employees do

I assume this is going to go down Jan/Feb at this rate. Mell Charlo fights on the 28th I wanna say so before or after that (but not new years)

 

[Black_Jesus]

Al Haymon doesn't care who wins or loses, he controls the entire boxing industry,

 

[Megadeus]

Al Haymon doesn't care who wins or loses, he controls the entire boxing industry, DAZN is a failure, Top Rank don't even do pay per view, Haymon is boxing





The fighters decide who the fight ultimately, Al Haymon is like a lawyer who puts the deal together not an employer that dictates what his employees do

The educated brotha from the bank

 

[Sbp]

Bruh

 

[krackdagawd]

Can somebody tag me once these primadonnas finally get the paperwork done.