HBGOAT solidified as GOAT again
Teddy Hart sayin what needs to be said
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job where? wwe? he already explained how bret fukked that up for everybody
yet ultra-respectful DH and Tyson couldn't get a break with all their talent. HBK let them beat the shyt out of him before bret even came in.
yet talented teddy can't get a job? please
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The Push Man
Pro
What's this supposed match where Shawn made Bret look better than he was, their matches were always a disappointment considering the talent of the two guys, and both their reputations were built long before they had any big feud with each other.
Teddy got TWO developmental deals w/ them and fukked up both times. So to point that at Bret is wrong.
The Hart Dynasty actually won the tag belts after Bret came back in 2010, so...not sure where he's goin' with that one either. WWE fukked them up by splitting them up for no reason later that year.
The Hart Dynasty actually won the tag belts after Bret came back in 2010, so...not sure where he's goin' with that one either. WWE fukked them up by splitting them up for no reason later that year.
if it wasn't for the screwjob, bret would be top 30 status but nowhere near the exalted status had the "screwjob" never happened. i think that's where teddy is going.
on the other hand, shawn was a consensus super-miracle-worker up until the screwjob, when bleeding "hart" smarks turned on him en masse.
but us real dudes like myself, teddy, kooked krack, public enemies etc. etc. etc. kept it real and understood that HBGOAT won't be denied that exalted GOAT status. ask vince
Abstract83
Superstar
Damn Teddy dropped some gems in that interview. It gotta be some reason why wwe has gone 10 steps backwards and not pushing talent forwards. I barely watch it.
at his comments about the rosters' in-ring capability/work.
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
if it wasn't for the screwjob, bret would be top 30 status but nowhere near the exalted status had the "screwjob" never happened. i think that's where teddy is going.
on the other hand, shawn was a consensus super-miracle-worker up until the screwjob, when bleeding "hart" smarks turned on him en masse.
but us real dudes like myself, teddy, kooked krack, public enemies etc. etc. etc. kept it real and understood that HBGOAT won't be denied that exalted GOAT status. ask vince
You have ailing eyes and warped perception. Replace them. Bret could work with literally any person on the roster. From Michaels to Diesel (Nash's best matches were with Bret, not HBK) to Yokozuna. Was a better draw than Michaels (Vital to the international tours that kept WWF afloat during that period). I could go on and on. Michaels was great in the ring and all, but Bret was better on all fronts when they were contemporaries.
You want to say Michaels is great, fine. But don't let your bias cloud your perceptions and analytical abilities, please. It does nothing for anybody.
Michaels drew better house show attendance numbers, and TV ratings than Bret ever did. Look that up, my friend; the numbers back it up. It seems that YOU are the one whose perspective is clouded by bias. It's evident in your emotionally-charged opinion that "Bret's matches w/ Diesel were better". That's all opinions. The FACT is, Michaels vs. Diesel drew more than Hart vs. Diesel. Hard numbers prove it. On a subjective level, nobody recants Diesel vs. Hart as any sort of classic, while many folks recall the Michaels vs. Diesel matches as either classic matches or inspirations, if not both. Look at the ROH champ Kevin Steen: his inspiration to get into wrestling was a Michaels vs. Diesel match, despite being Canadian.
Bret drew "better international numbers" because he was the headliner of "virgin shows" i.e. he did the first shows in certain markets. It wasn't Bret that drew those numbers, it was the fact that wrestling came to those areas (Arab countries, India, etc.) that was the draw.
(as a sidenote, we're not even counting 2002 and on Michaels, if we were to include all of that stuff, Bret would be a very small blip on the radar compared to Michaels drawing power. Bret was irrelevant from 1999 until he shook hands with Michaels in 2010.)
You want to say Bret is great, fine. But don't let your bias cloud your perceptions and analytical abilities, please. It does nothing for anybody.
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
You're cute, taking my final words.
1). This argument has jack-all to do with Kevin Steen, so why are you even bringing him up?
2). You say you have all of these numbers regarding Shawn drawing better that I've never seen. Produce them or else. Actually, don't do that, I will:
Bret Hart RAW Ratings, 3rd Reign Avg. (Nov. 19, 1995-Mar. 31, 1996): 2.73
Shawn Michaels RAW Ratings, 1st Reign Avg. (Mar. 31, 1996-Nov. 17, 1996): 2.64
Shawn Michaels RAW Ratings, 2nd Reign Avg. (Jan. 19, 1997-Feb. 13, 1997): 2.33
Bret Hart RAW Ratings, 5th Reign Avg. (Aug. 3, 1997-Nov. 9, 1997): 2.65
In ZERO extended reigns as contemporaries did Bret Hart draw lower averages than Shawn did. NONE.
If you have Shawn and Bret's House numbers, produce them or else.
Look at the observer, clownshoes.
shawn michaels as champ drew the first sell out in MSG since 1992. Shawn as champ was the first 4.0+ rating as champ in the history of MNR. This is against Nitro, back when Raw wasn't live. I can't keep reiterating this sh1t, and dudes still think Vince chose Shawn over Bret over some sexual thing. You conspiracy theorists are ridiculous.
Vince chose Shawn because he was more profitable than Bret Hart. I'm still waiting for Meltzer or anyone else to disprove me.
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
And he couldn't sustain a damn thing.
The guy drew a 1.8 in Oct. '96. One of the lowest public (Post-'95) RAW ratings in the history of the program. There was a damn good reason why the belt was put on Sid. Why Royal Rumble '97 was one of the most papered shows in history in Shawn's own fukking hometown. They guy just wasn't a draw at all.
Now come with some hard show attendance averages or stop typing. I gave you the TV averages which proved that Bret got better cumulative ratings. Prove me wrong on the attendance front.