just my thoughts
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1. Taylor Swift first album came out in 2006.
2.radio head did it first.
3. I compared the tours that were in close relation to each other.
4. It literally does.
5. No. It was a show.
6. Rihanna isn't active at all
TAYLOR SWIFT is about to do 380k in a week just off VINYL :dahell:
- Thread starter Lil Bape the PostGod
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1. Taylor Swift first album came out in 2006.
2.radio head did it first.
3. I compared the tours that were in close relation to each other.
4. It literally does.
5. No. It was a show.
6. Rihanna isn't active at all
JustRegularBlack
Pro
Her songwriting is average. Though she does understand that teen heartbreak is where it's at, her success ain't a direct result from her pen. The biggest advantage she had over those other white chicks is an extremely wealthy dad and mom who bankrolled her initial rise.
A lot of her songs, lyrics and concepts would be laughed at if another artist ran with it.
African Peasant
Veteran
DontEemTry
Superstar
She started from the bottom. All we can do is
critical_temp
All Star
This is The Booth
None of them occupied her lane of being “relatable.” She debuted at a time when every artist in pop was selling sex and she was the safe, family-friendly alternative that was doing country music. Combine that with her association to the dudes those young broads wanted, her writing like a diary of her life and the Kanye situation - it was a once in a lifetime sort of phenomenon. If you look at a lot of people who listen to other pop artists, they don’t care all that much about her and being a swiftie is laughed at the way a “belieber” was. Swift hasn’t written a single song that any singer songwriter looks at as groundbreaking. Her winning Grammys directly coincided with people not taking the awards seriously.
Her fans are those “beliebers” “arianators” or whatever else that never grew up and passed it down to the next generation. The closest comparison is Eminem when he blew up - you couldn’t create that confluence of events with any other white rapper again. But unlike Taylor, Eminem didn’t lean into the celebrity and fame game and walked away at his peak to battle addiction. Compare the attention she deliberately seeks with Kelce at games versus Gisselle with Brady or Josh Allen’s fiance who could definitely use it to promote her celebrity. It’s about way more than music - her “fight” with her former record label which wouldn’t sell her masters to her on the low was no different than Drake right now with Universal but she was able to spin it as feminism. She’s the most calculated pop star of all time. I’m saying all this as someone who once operated a blog with someone who took a business school course that used her moves as examples. Respect her team’s business savvy - but let’s not pretend she’s Joni Mitchell.
One of the greatest songs ever written yall sleep
Taylor Swift didn't debut as a Pop artist though. She came in as Country artist. She wasn't huge out of the gate. She didn't really become big until 2008. To put into perspective Taylor Swift wasn't a factor in 2006. Carrie Underwood was bigger than Taylor Swift. They made a concerted effort to transition Taylor Swift into Pop in 2014 with "Shake It Off".
Kanye, in fact did help cross her over indirectly. After Kanye got on stage and attempted to take her award, people who never knew or cared to know Taylor Swift knew her after that. It started this kind of silent rivalry between her and Beyonce.
She really is the "anti-Beyonce": white, slender, no bass, safe, vanilla. She is to white America what Beyonce is to us. And white America definitely uses Taylor Swift to send the message that they aren't going to let Beyonce break the "glass ceiling" in music no matter what she does.
I literally said she came in as the safe alternative doing country music. And few artists are immediately huge in popular culture. But her debut was double platinum a year after release. I don’t know what you’re talking about. She didn’t officially go all the way pop until around 2010 if we’re being frfr. Even then she didn’t call herself pop until 2014. She was pop country from the beginning and leveraged that audience until she believed that she could be bigger than all the pop artists doing straight pop. Her initial challenge was being taken seriously in Nashville and they went with it because she brought in young girl country fans.
Well if we’re talking vinyl she’s not the ONLY one. Its just that there are so few pressing plants nowadays that certain artists have a monopoly on getting their’s out during their initial release windows because they can afford to place large orders.
Tyler The Creator and Childish Gambino shot back to the top of the charts when they released older projects on Vinyl. If some of these artists had the budgets to press up vinyls as soon as they dropped they’d be doing bigger numbers too. Not Taylor Swift numbers mind you but if lets say Kendrick had dropped GNX Vinyl and Physicals to ship the week of release instead of March 2025 he’d have easily sold 600-650k first week.
spliz
SplizThaDon
Kendrick ain't selling Taylor Swift amount of Vinyls with a mixtape u are delusional if u think so. Lol. Kendrick has vinyls out of his most classic albums and they aren't doing them numbers. Taylor Swift ALWAYS sells just as much physical as she does streaming. She's not playing the same game as the rest of these artists.
Taylor runs the music industry 
drugxglory
Street Struck
Thats crazy knowing she voted for Kamala and her fan base if white women, surprised it hasnt been a huge fall back from her knowing how they are
Your misunderstanding what i’m saying. I’m saying that if Kendrick had Vinyl and physicals ready to ship ALONGSIDE his streaming numbers on day one he’s doing 600K easily. Not 600K just based on Vinyl.
The point is Vinyl is making a big comeback but there are not enough pressing plants to meet demand so big artists like Taylor get a monopoly on the orders because they’re guaranteed to ship big
BK The Great
Veteran
I can’t stand her music but hey I can’t knock her hustle.