TAYLOR SWIFT is about to do 380k in a week just off VINYL :dahell:

[JustCKing]

1. Ehh

2. You mean radio head ?

3. Taylor performs in Stadiums not occasionally

4. Who has Beyonce influenced?

5. Rihanna has bigger hits than beyonce

6. Rihanna sold more records than Beyonce

Again what kinda queen is that?

1. Longevity is a huge deal when we're talking about Pop. They have very short shelf lives.

2. Regardless of who did it first, it wasn't a trend until Beyonce did it. Radiohead didn't get universal release dates changed, Beyonce did.

3. Beyonce also does stadiums and arenas. She is one of the highest grossing touring artists ever.

4. Adele cites Beyonce as an influence as well as a lot of these new artists.

5. Rihanna also has bigger hits than Taylor Swift, which is telling because we're not talking about Taylor Swift vs Rihanna, its Taylor Swift vs Beyonce. There's a reason for that.

6. Again, the fact that the argument is Taylor Swift vs Beyonce and not Rihanna is telling. You had to insert Rihanna into the discussion.

 

[just my thoughts]

1. Longevity is a huge deal when we're talking about Pop. They have very short shelf lives.

2. Regardless of who did it first, it wasn't a trend until Beyonce did it. Radiohead didn't get universal release dates changed, Beyonce did.

3. Beyonce also does stadiums and arenas. She is one of the highest grossing touring artists ever.

4. Adele cites Beyonce as an influence as well as a lot of these new artists.

5. Rihanna also has bigger hits than Taylor Swift, which is telling because we're not talking about Taylor Swift vs Rihanna, its Taylor Swift vs Beyonce. There's a reason for that.

6. Again, the fact that the argument is Taylor Swift vs Beyonce and not Rihanna is telling. You had to insert Rihanna into the discussion.

1. She started first so of course she has longevity

2. Radio head led she followed

3. Being one of and being the highest grossing is not the same. Eras vs renaissance

4. She does yet no one would by listening to her music could tell or hear any ounce of said influence. Sounds like babble

5. True but to call yourself queen yet .....

6. I inserted Rihanna because even she is a bigger star and more popular

 

[JustCKing]

1. She started first so of course she has longevity

2. Radio head led she followed

3. Being one of and being the highest grossing is not the same. Eras vs renaissance

4. She does yet no one would by listening to her music could tell or hear any ounce of said influence. Sounds like babble

5. True but to call yourself queen yet .....

6. I inserted Rihanna because even she is a bigger star and more popular

1. It has little to do with her starting first. Beyonce is 20 years deep as a solo artist. In the realmnof Pop, very few can say that.

2. Again, nobody made a big deal of Radiohead doing that. Beyonce dropped an album on a random Friday in December 2013 and still did numbers. No single. No warning.

3. Taylor Swift does more dates over a longer period of time. Look at what Beyonce's last tour grossed with less dates.

4. Influence goes beyond sounding like someone. If an rtist inspires you to sing or even make music, that's influence which is greater than attempting to sound like them.

5. Beyonce has stats to back up her claim though. Nobody used a sales argument to discredit Aretha Franklin's claim to claim. Nobody used a sales argument against Mary J. Blige.

6. Rihanna is not bigger than Beyonce. Again, who really compares Rihanna to Taylor Swift? The argument is Taylor vs Beyonce for a reason.

 

[just my thoughts]

1. It has little to do with her starting first. Beyonce is 20 years deep as a solo artist. In the realmnof Pop, very few can say that.

2. Again, nobody made a big deal of Radiohead doing that. Beyonce dropped an album on a random Friday in December 2013 and still did numbers. No single. No warning.

3. Taylor Swift does more dates over a longer period of time. Look at what Beyonce's last tour grossed with less dates.

4. Influence goes beyond sounding like someone. If an rtist inspires you to sing or even make music, that's influence which is greater than attempting to sound like them.

5. Beyonce has stats to back up her claim though. Nobody used a sales argument to discredit Aretha Franklin's claim to claim. Nobody used a sales argument against Mary J. Blige.

6. Rihanna is not bigger than Beyonce. Again, who really compares Rihanna to Taylor Swift? The argument is Taylor vs Beyonce for a reason.

1. It has alot to do with starting first. It's in the name. ( just looked it up Beyonce only has 3 years on her for length of time) and has released more music

2. They did make a big deal. As it was the first. Maybe not as big but a moment was had

3. True on the eras front but The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour did 132 shows and didn;t perform as well

4. influence: the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.

5. Mary J. was and is the only one in her space. A queen is more than a self title. Aretha defined a moment in time. Beyonce has not. We are comparing her to someone who literally has less talent than her. When has that ever happened?

6. Rihanna has sole more records. Has bigger hits how is she not? No one compares the two because Rihanna isn't active

 

[JustCKing]

1. It has alot to do with starting first. It's in the name. ( just looked it up Beyonce only has 3 years on her for length of time) and has released more music

2. They did make a big deal. As it was the first. Maybe not as big but a moment was had

3. True on the eras front but The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour did 132 shows and didn;t perform as well

4. influence: the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.

5. Mary J. was and is the only one in her space. A queen is more than a self title. Aretha defined a moment in time. Beyonce has not. We are comparing her to someone who literally has less talent than her. When has that ever happened?

6. Rihanna has sole more records. Has bigger hits how is she not? No one compares the two because Rihanna isn't active

1. The overall point here is that there are only a handful of artists in the Pop realm that can say they had one of the biggest albums of the year 20+ years after their debut. Add to the fact that Beyonce is in her 40's.

2. Did Radiohead's surprise release set a trend? Were artists referring to surprise albums as "pulling a Radiohead"? Did they change the universal release dates because if Radiohead? If your answer is nk to these questions, it is not worth noting Radiohead in this regard.

3. So you're admitting thatbits true for Eras, but had to go back 10 years to find a way to discredit Beyonce. Look up the numbers for the Mrs. Carter Tour.

4. Beyonce's influence meets that criteria.

5. There were plenty in Mary J. Blige's space. Beyonce definitely defines a moment. She is to our time what they were to their respective times regardless of how I feel about Beyonce's music because its subjective.

6. Rihanna is not in the discussion because she is not on their level. She's a tier below them, which is still high.

 

[just my thoughts]

1. The overall point here is that there are only a handful of artists in the Pop realm that can say they had one of the biggest albums of the year 20+ years after their debut. Add to the fact that Beyonce is in her 40's.

2. Did Radiohead's surprise release set a trend? Were artists referring to surprise albums as "pulling a Radiohead"? Did they change the universal release dates because if Radiohead? If your answer is nk to these questions, it is not worth noting Radiohead in this regard.

3. So you're admitting thatbits true for Eras, but had to go back 10 years to find a way to discredit Beyonce. Look up the numbers for the Mrs. Carter Tour.

4. Beyonce's influence meets that criteria.

5. There were plenty in Mary J. Blige's space. Beyonce definitely defines a moment. She is to our time what they were to their respective times regardless of how I feel about Beyonce's music because its subjective.

6. Rihanna is not in the discussion because she is not on their level. She's a tier below them, which is still high.

1. Agreed and Taylor is right there with her

2. Radio head was the first to do it. Point still stands

3. I looked up the numbers. And I did as we are comparing them which includes their body of work

4. No she hasn't merely saying something is not doing something.

5.Who are the plenty in Mary space? Ashanti was quickly dismissed when called "princess". Beyonce has not defined a generation. No one has attempted to copy her. Make music like her. Look like her. She was literally just there

6. Rihanna is not active. If she was she would be in the discussion just like she was during the 'queen" run

 

[O.Red]

Do that many people even own record players?

The album came out 7 months ago

Vinyl is a billion dollar industry. It's grown considerably in the last decade

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

She has a cult following as others have said but in the totality of actually buying physical copies, vinyl outsold every other physical medium for the first time since the late 80s this year. Personally, as a collector, I hate it. Cause hype beast types are driving up the price of used joints and hip hop records were always priced higher than other genres for some odd reason to begin with.

 

[O.Red]

Exactly. It ain't about the music or artistry as both of those are as ordinary and vanilla as it can get.

She's just skinny and blonde enough to give her God status anongst them but bland enough in skillset and persona to make her relatable to them. The consumerism cheat code.

This is not true. Why Taylor and not 40 more plain skinny white bytches?

Taylor has the fanbase she does because she's an excellent songwriter. Those relationship/heartbreak lyrics touch hearts the way Pac or Scarface's lyrics would touch yours (I don't know who you personally listen to or resonate with)

 

[L. Deezy]

Sheesh

 

[JustCKing]

1. Agreed and Taylor is right there with her

2. Radio head was the first to do it. Point still stands

3. I looked up the numbers. And I did as we are comparing them which includes their body of work

4. No she hasn't merely saying something is not doing something.

5.Who are the plenty in Mary space? Ashanti was quickly dismissed when called "princess". Beyonce has not defined a generation. No one has attempted to copy her. Make music like her. Look like her. She was literally just there

6. Rihanna is not active. If she was she would be in the discussion just like she was during the 'queen" run

1. So we agree here.

2. You have no point here because Radiohead dropping a surprise album made no impact.

3. But you agree the numbers are comparable even when Beyonce does less dates in less time.

4. Mary J. Blige is one of the most influential artists of all time. Ashanti cites Mary as an influence, but sounds nothing like Mary. Alicia Keys cites Mary as an influence, but sounds nothing like Mary.

5. Beyonce is easily the definitive artist of the modern era. She took over Coachella. There are plenty of artists whose music I like more than Beyonce, but few are as decorated or as iconic as Beyonce.

6. Again, the fact that Rihanna isn't in the discussion speaks volumes. Lauryn Hill has ONE album that dropped over 25 years ago. Look at the discussions her name comes up in.

 

[just my thoughts]

1. So we agree here.

2. You have no point here because Radiohead dropping a surprise album made no impact.

3. But you agree the numbers are comparable even when Beyonce does less dates in less time.

4. Mary J. Blige is one of the most influential artists of all time. Ashanti cites Mary as an influence, but sounds nothing like Mary. Alicia Keys cites Mary as an influence, but sounds nothing like Mary.

5. Beyonce is easily the definitive artist of the modern era. She took over Coachella. There are plenty of artists whose music I like more than Beyonce, but few are as decorated or as iconic as Beyonce.

6. Again, the fact that Rihanna isn't in the discussion speaks volumes. Lauryn Hill has ONE album that dropped over 25 years ago. Look at the discussions her name comes up in.

1. Yes Taylor has longevity

2. An opinion

3. No That is also not factual

4. Got it you are just using the term loosely.

5.Taking over coachella mean nothing. Nothing she has done has defined it.

6. Being late. Lauryn Hill Is active

 

[JustCKing]

1. Yes Taylor has longevity

2. An opinion

3. No That is also not factual

4. Got it you are just using the term loosely.

5.Taking over coachella mean nothing. Nothing she has done has defined it.

6. Being late. Lauryn Hill Is active

1. She doesn't have Beyonce's longevity.

2. What was Radiohead's impact in regard to surprise albums?

3. It is factual.

4. The surprise albums and the industry moving release dates to Fridays is part of her influence. So, I'm not looselybusing the term.

5. Taking over Coachella was a huge deal. That was definitely a moment.

6. What new music has Lauryn Hill dropped? You're being obtuse here to justify why Rihanna doesn't appear in a Beyonce vs Taylor conversation.

 

[just my thoughts]

1. She doesn't have Beyonce's longevity.

2. What was Radiohead's impact in regard to surprise albums?

3. It is factual.

4. The surprise albums and the industry moving release dates to Fridays is part of her influence. So, I'm not looselybusing the term.

5. Taking over Coachella was a huge deal. That was definitely a moment.

6. What new music has Lauryn Hill dropped? You're being obtuse here to justify why Rihanna doesn't appear in a Beyonce vs Taylor conversation.

1. Just shy 3 years. So she is right there

2. First to do it, by a name. It had impact. It was spoken about. It was new at the time

3. Saying it doesn't make it so she did 132 dates and only made 294 M Taylor did 85 shows and grossed 321 M

4. No artist has attempted to copy her. Make music like her. Look like her. She was literally just there.

5. Again No it is not

6. Rihanna is not active. Lauryn still does shows.

 

[JustCKing]

1. Just shy 3 years. So she is right there

2. First to do it, by a name. It had impact. It was spoken about. It was new at the time

3. Saying it doesn't make it so she did 132 dates and only made 294 M Taylor did 85 shows and grossed 321 M

4. No artist has attempted to copy her. Make music like her. Look like her. She was literally just there.

5. Again No it is not

6. Rihanna is not active. Lauryn still does shows.

1. Its more than three years. Taylor Swift's career didn't pop until 2008. Her debut album was not a big deal until 2008.

2. Radiohead ain't even drip a surprise album. They announced it nearly two weeks before it dropped. Beyonce's 2013 album literally came out of nowhere.

3. Are we comparing Mrs. Carter Tour to Eras?

4. Copying somebody does not embody influence.

5. That was a huge cultural moment that you are refusing to acknowledge for the sake of #5.

6. Lauryn Hill is "active" solely due to music that is a quarter of a century old. Rihanna headlined a superbowl halftime not too long ago.