88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I missed where you proved that. Hold this neg dumbass.
Tariq “elite” Nasheed is back at it again... **TELLING PEOPLE TO SIT OUT THE 2020 ELECTION**
- Thread starter Nuke Dukem
- Start date
People like Tariq benefit from black people’s frustration with the system. It’s against his self interest to actually improve society.
You sound like those crakkkas that are always going at Tariq.
Maybe he just believes in a different way to improve the situation for our people than voting in a corrupt system?
Dudes argument is so stupid.
His initial statement is, The government is corrupt and doesn't service the interest of black people.
It's a statement that isn't necessarily controversial on its own. It's his solution to that problem is where he goes completely off the rails.
@Swagnificent suggests the solution to the government not doing enough for black people is to leave the system. This coincidentally (or potentially purposefully for him) further consolidates the power white supremacists have over the government.
I'll give it 3 mjplses
His initial statement is, The government is corrupt and doesn't service the interest of black people.
It's a statement that isn't necessarily controversial on its own. It's his solution to that problem is where he goes completely off the rails.
@Swagnificent suggests the solution to the government not doing enough for black people is to leave the system. This coincidentally (or potentially purposefully for him) further consolidates the power white supremacists have over the government.
I'll give it 3 mjplses
He does. It's pimping out black people. Just like the white supremacist.
What has changed for black people in this country over the last 20-30 years? I'm using that time period cause I'm assuming most of us on here are anywhere from 20-30 years old so we've experienced that time period.
I've lived through Bush, Obama, and Trump. Was a kid when Clinton was in office. In those intervening years of watching Republicans and Democrats go in and out of power in Washington I have noticed ZERO CHANGE. No difference. Don't matter who is in office. Whether its rethugs or the democracts. Same shyt happens every year. We get killed by police whether its democrats or republicans in power. We still not getting jobs whether its democrats or republicans in power. Black people still dying in emergency rooms cause doctors ain't treating them whether its Obama or Trump in office. And so forth.
Voting is a total sham. The same people run this country year in year out. These politicians are just puppets. They give us the illusion of choice which is why they allow voting. But its really no choice. Its total bull. Both sides are bought and paid for and neither one gives a shyt about us or will do anything for us. Which is why if you're old enough to have experienced both the republicans and democrats in power, you'll realize nothing changes. Regardless of who is in power same shyt continues to happen. PERIOD.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Sounds like you're ignorant to the world around you. That's your problem.
He chose to live around a bunch of conservatives. Then complains his world hasn't gotten any better.
Even better, he has had the opportunity to be educated through higher learning likely gain employment as a result of that (I'm. Guessing at UT Knoxville) and hasn't realized this isn't a result of legislation that directly benefited his alleged black ass.
AZBeauty
Stop lyin' nicca.
Obamacare. My mother had no insurance before it passed. She works at a small business that did not offer medical but she earned too much to qualify for a state medical card. She has free healthcare now with no copay.
In addition, what is your solution to this conceived problem that you thinking voting causes? If you don't want to vote or don't care about the representation of your local and federal politicians provide, thats on you. Most people see value in voting, its literally the reason they stand in line for hours to do so. If it didnt matter, the Republicans wouldnt go out of their way to disenfranchise you. If you think black people have not benefited from any policy in the last 20-30yrs then it explains why you even asked the question in the first place. How would you EVER get any representation and policy voted in to benefit the black community if you don't vote someone in to pass it, and hold them accountable if they don't? It would probably make more sense for you just to say you don't actually care about politics or how the government affects your every day life then saying it doesnt help people to vote.
In Chicago, groups of black community organizers put boots to the ground, knocked on doors, motivated people to get out and vote the previous SA Anita Alaverez out of office after the Laquan McDondal murder. We voted in Kim Foxx and you know what Kim Foxx, a black woman did? She dropped pending charges in over 50 criminal cases that got many young black men out prison. That was a result of voting in a black women who campaigned on rebuilding public trust and being more transparent. It directly BENEFITED Black people.
GO back to the locker room clown.Shut your fakkit ass up.
No. You got it wrong. The burden is on you to give us a good argument for voting. No one needs to give an argument for why they don't wanna do something. Voting is a proactive act. You have to give people a reason to make this proactive act. People don't need to tell you why they are not gonna do something.
For example, do I need to give you a reason why I don't wanna visit the Grand Canyon? But if you keep telling me to go there, then you're gonna need to give me a reason to go there.
My take is that Tariq isn’t against voting. He actually encourages local voting. He’s against how we as black people collectively approach voting. While other groups vote for power, most of us vote for acknowledgement (white acceptance). The relationship between the Democratic Party and black society isn’t equitable. They hold over our heads the “benefits” they’ve given us without acknowledging they wouldn’t have a viable party without the unconditional support from black society. It’s not an equitable relationship.
If we as black people collectively and strategically decided we’re sitting out an election cycle, they’d have to offer us (black people, not “minorities”) more systematic tangibles. Malcolm X said the same thing btw.
If we as black people collectively and strategically decided we’re sitting out an election cycle, they’d have to offer us (black people, not “minorities”) more systematic tangibles. Malcolm X said the same thing btw.
Ya' Cousin Cleon
OG COUCH CORNER HUSTLA
which is sad when you think about it
and it explains how all these YouTube reactionary types, whether they be white, libertarian, uber-black nationalists/capitalists, conspiracy etc get so popular
is they feed off of the sincere ignorance of people who simply don't know or understand history, the material conditions of humanity
and the sad part....they don't give them anything to work with to build for a better future. they even in some cases come up with ways to further isolate the already alienated.
notice how every single time you argue with a person that doesn't care for voting and is doped up heavy on YouTube they never can come to any conclusions on what is to be done outside of electoral politics
they are left with an outlook that is mentally, emotionally and spiritually dead, and slowly but surely they find themselves buying into a hole of hopelessness and fatalism
while youtube/twitter talking head is kicking their feet up and enjoying the spoils off of the disenfranchisement, frustration and despair of the people who look to them for answers.
I'm personally someone who never really put much faith into voting myself personally..
but i don't look down on those who do mobilize on the issues that directly effect them...
but notice!
even now, direct actions, of any kind are under the gun from the YouTube sages of today, quick to call everything that ain't about starting a business, meditating, holistic living or whatever as "doing too much, not on code, being too emotional and not logical etc." anytime you have people not voting but directly challenging authority or demanding more such as fight for $15, abolish ice, prison strikes things that directly challenge the status quo and white supremacy in some instances, it's not propped up as the latest police killing or service our youtube brethren are offering
shyt makes my stomach turn sometimes and i like Tariq, but shyt is clear as day what agenda is at the end of the day.
I just know how at times how futile our efforts are, I live by and remind myself of this
and it explains how all these YouTube reactionary types, whether they be white, libertarian, uber-black nationalists/capitalists, conspiracy etc get so popular
is they feed off of the sincere ignorance of people who simply don't know or understand history, the material conditions of humanity
and the sad part....they don't give them anything to work with to build for a better future. they even in some cases come up with ways to further isolate the already alienated.
notice how every single time you argue with a person that doesn't care for voting and is doped up heavy on YouTube they never can come to any conclusions on what is to be done outside of electoral politics
they are left with an outlook that is mentally, emotionally and spiritually dead, and slowly but surely they find themselves buying into a hole of hopelessness and fatalism
while youtube/twitter talking head is kicking their feet up and enjoying the spoils off of the disenfranchisement, frustration and despair of the people who look to them for answers.
I'm personally someone who never really put much faith into voting myself personally..
but i don't look down on those who do mobilize on the issues that directly effect them...
but notice!
even now, direct actions, of any kind are under the gun from the YouTube sages of today, quick to call everything that ain't about starting a business, meditating, holistic living or whatever as "doing too much, not on code, being too emotional and not logical etc." anytime you have people not voting but directly challenging authority or demanding more such as fight for $15, abolish ice, prison strikes things that directly challenge the status quo and white supremacy in some instances, it's not propped up as the latest police killing or service our youtube brethren are offering
shyt makes my stomach turn sometimes and i like Tariq, but shyt is clear as day what agenda is at the end of the day.
I just know how at times how futile our efforts are, I live by and remind myself of this
Last edited:
What has voting ever done for us?
Building black businesses (something Tariq has championed) will do more to uplift our people than voting. We've been voting for 50+ years and ain't nothing changed when it comes to the condition of our people for the better. Ever hard the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Tell me how voting doesn't completely fit with the definition of insanity?