Talib Kweli reviews a Pitchfork review of his album

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he thinks if he attacks the writer's specific criticisms then there's nothing left to criticize and the album is perfect

the writer probably picked the score based entirely on the feel of the first listen then picked whatever things to write to make the review interesting

the album is a 6 because the shyt is weak, boring, not catchy, etc. not cuz he bragged or didn't brag in a line or if 9th or khrysis made a beat

he's harping on minor details no one cares about
probably one of the reasons why he can't make good music

If noone cares then why would the writer put them in the review? If they weren't relevant to the score why were they mentioned? Either its a biased personal attack on Talib or its shytty writing...pick one. You are an idiot.
 

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Let me tell you whats wrong with this post
1. Kweli never said that white people shouldn't review hip hop albums, thats a strawman
2. The Pitchfork writer was dead wrong for calling Kweli a "race baiting thug" and the fact that you defended it makes you look stupid
3. I didn't read your post

If you have a problem with my review of your post don't bother responding cuz all you're doing is legitimizing a hater.
1. You and I know what he's implying. I'll leave it there. And yes, i'm a black poster
2. I never will agree with that, and the problem is Kweli always complaining. Even if he has a point he, as an artist, cries wolf too much
3. Too fukking bad.
 

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Let me demonstrate why Kweli is full of shyt:
After this, Mosi goes on to write how INDIE 500 “loses focus” but is not really able to articulate why he felt that way. His examples? He says “Pay Ya Dues” lacks “competitive tension, but is a nice display of the trio’s lyrical skills.” Well Mosi, that was the point of the song. Mosi then describes my “humble brags” on “Lo -Fi” as “perfunctory.” But again, he misses context. Taking the line “promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread” completely out of context to satisfy an indefensible point comes off as very insincere. For context, here are the rest of the bars:

“Pull up to any club on a moped with some dirty ass Pro-Keds looking lo res / The bouncer be like go head / Promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread / surrounded by the dope and the coke heads burning candles at both ends”
How is this a humble brag? It’s not. It’s a slightly self-deprecating critique of the ridiculous pretentiousness of velvet rope club culture, not a brag about how I pop bottles in the club. Had the writer not lifted one bar out of context for the sake of turning in a quick review, he might have caught that. This illustrates a larger problem in blog reviews of art that people put their heart and soul into. Blogs are trying to keep the eyes, literally by the second. This means constant, non-stop content and reviews of pieces of art that are lauded for being first, not fair. How could a writer, any writer, take in an album that took us a year or two to put together, in one day? One week? They couldn’t. So they rely on personal bias and past musical knowledge to fill in the blanks, which is where that whole “celebrity straw man” thing came from. They rush their reviews, so they make assumptions and write reviews that are factually incorrect. They take lyrics completely out of context and judge them for the world to see, all because they didn’t have the time to let the lyrics sink in. This makes it very ironic when Mosi writes that the “execution felt rushed” in terms of INDIE 500.

This negro right here man...the review was right...those back ass bars WERE perfunctory. They LITERALLY were lazy and cliche and tired and angsty.

Of course T.K. would take offense to that...it strikes at the core of like 80% of his career's lazy lyricism and recycled song concepts.

Lets look at more unreasonable whining:


Mosi writes “Kweli appears on all but 3 tracks yet the album sounds more like a compilation than a concise effort between him and 9th Wonder.” This sentence is one of my biggest issues with this review. This album was never supposed to be a “concise effort” between 9th and I. We’ve never said that, we never presented it as such. We ALWAYS said it was a compilation. So if it feels like a compilation to Mosi, then guess what, we did our job. Well. If Mosi was paying more attention to what people like 9th and I actually say and do, as opposed to what blogs say about us, then he would have caught that. If Mosi review is based on him thinking this album was something it never was, than his review is flawed and cannot be taken seriously.

You dummy :why: ...you got mad at the reviewer for stating literally what you said, then got mad because the reviewer said it. :snoop:...as if only you get to make certain comments.

Its a compilation...that you staked out with one producer and with T.K. at the helm.




Then for the rest of TKs meta-review, lets say he had a point in calling out the reviewer for missing song credits and getting voices mixed up. Thats all fair.

So...lets see...the album got a 3.6...so even with all of the rest outstanding...what does he want? A 4.0? a 5.0? 6?

How high does the score need to be changed to to compensate for the handful of slight errors TK got in the reviewers eyes?

The music output still matters and nagging over song credits and one bar isn't enough to compensate for the fact that the sonics of the album don't meet their goal, because i'm sure if it sounded good, most of that score would have been compensated for in other ways.

TK is reaching like a little scorned child and if he's going to take his issue up with pitchfork then he needs to do it with everyone else who gave him reviews. They're not even that high.

Oh and lets not let facts get in the way...He got a fukking 6.3...not a 3.6. Which isn't even that bad from Pitchfork. 4-5 territory is where you need to be worried. Hell, BARELY 8s get honorable mentions from them.





:stopitslime:

Bruh i dont think i negged you before:jbhmm:
 

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1. You and I know what he's implying. I'll leave it there. And yes, i'm a black poster
2. I never will agree with that, and the problem is Kweli always complaining. Even if he has a point he, as an artist, cries wolf too much
3. Too fukking bad.
:merchant: 1 and 2 were completely made up, I didn't read a word of that post. I tried to hit you with sarcasm but you ate it like Scooby Snacks and kept arguing. You win...
 

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Artists shouldnt be allowed on social media.

Let critics CRITIQUE and you make the fukking art.

Keep those two lanes separate and scared.

Pitchfork isn't the first, nor the last publication to ever exist.


Artists should have the right to comment on critics. Especially if they feel that the critc is being bias, unfair, or they just haven't done their homework.
 

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How could a writer, any writer, take in an album that took us a year or two to put together, in one day? One week? They couldn’t. So they rely on personal bias and past musical knowledge to fill in the blanks

shyt on him talib :banderas:

He credits 9th for his work on “Technicolor Easels” and “Understand,” but never mentions that it’s not 9th but Khrysis who did those beats. If the reviewer can’t even be bothered to find out who did what beats, again, how can this review be taken seriously? Isn’t Pitchfork supposed to be the gold standard when it comes to reviews? But this misinformation is acceptable?


:whew:

we need more of these. these hipsters need to get this work. artists need to go back at them with stuff like this, they got the same mediums, greater exposure, and wider audience

Bruh i dont think i negged you before:jbhmm:
i'll do it for you
 
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Ok album got an ok score. Don't really see what his issue is.

People just get upset that unlike most reviewers, Pitchfork uses the whole scale.
 

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I can't name a single Pitchfork hip hop review that's ever been illuminating. I thought it was well known that their hip hop opinions are cursory and not worth taking seriously.



they are like caricultures of hipsters. hipsters look authentic next to pitchfork.
 

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Do i work for PF? :mjlol:

hell no...but i'm not giving Kweli a pass if he only points out 3 things, 2 of which are bullshyt:

1. calling out a compilation? Wow Really? Big deal...still doesn't sound THAT great
2. Mixing up album credits? And? Still doesn't affect the sound.
3. Criticizing lyrics? Yeah. thats completely fukking valid. :stopitslime:

you really do sound like you work for pitchfork breh, hang it up
 

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for an artist to attack reviewers is pure embarrassing. Specially Kweli acting like he's some type of high review artist. His shyt averages between 65-70 on metacritic. He's mad that he's getting a lower rating than people like Young Thug. Old static ass cacs are too off brand to even understand why shyt like that happens and catch feelings. The #1 factor in getting a strong review is being creative, doing something fresh. It's not about his style, Nas, Gza and A tribe called quest all have 10/10 reviews on p4k.

It's the same reason Mumfors and sons get 2/10. I know old people on the coli would like to hear Nas drop an album that sounds exactly like Illmatic, but that's like Motorola making a phone that's exactly like the iPhone 6. It works perfectly and all that but how much props do they really deserve when the 6s is out.
 

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for an artist to attack reviewers is pure embarrassing. Specially Kweli acting like he's some type of high review artist. His shyt averages between 65-70 on metacritic. He's mad that he's getting a lower rating than people like Young Thug. Old static ass cacs are too off brand to even understand why shyt like that happens and catch feelings. The #1 factor in getting a strong review is being creative, doing something fresh. It's not about his style, Nas, Gza and A tribe called quest all have 10/10 reviews on p4k.

It's the same reason Mumfors and sons get 2/10. I know old people on the coli would like to hear Nas drop an album that sounds exactly like Illmatic, but that's like Motorola making a phone that's exactly like the iPhone 6. It works perfectly and all that but how much props do they really deserve when the 6s is out.

Bullshyt

And how is it embarrassing that he responds to a reviewer who obviously didn't do his homework :comeon:
 
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