or he could ignore critics and make what he wants to make.
Dudes gotta stop legitimizing their haters if they claim to "not care" so much.
Exactly, I like Talib but he's too old and too far in to his career to be doing shyt like this
Talib Kweli reviews a Pitchfork review of his album
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Exactly, I like Talib but he's too old and too far in to his career to be doing shyt like this
Lets not ignore that MOST of his shyt just aint hot regardless.Exactly, I like Talib but he's too old and too far in to his career to be doing shyt like this
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not a big talib fan and im not even gonna act like ive listened to this project, but if someone trashed my performance at work to an audience and was factually inaccurate when doing so, you damn right im gonna talk about it. we damn sure are gonna talk about it.
Let me demonstrate why Kweli is full of shyt:
After this, Mosi goes on to write how INDIE 500 “loses focus” but is not really able to articulate why he felt that way. His examples? He says “Pay Ya Dues” lacks “competitive tension, but is a nice display of the trio’s lyrical skills.” Well Mosi, that was the point of the song. Mosi then describes my “humble brags” on “Lo -Fi” as “perfunctory.” But again, he misses context. Taking the line “promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread” completely out of context to satisfy an indefensible point comes off as very insincere. For context, here are the rest of the bars:
This negro right here man...the review was right...those back ass bars WERE perfunctory. They LITERALLY were lazy and cliche and tired and angsty.
Of course T.K. would take offense to that...it strikes at the core of like 80% of his career's lazy lyricism and recycled song concepts.
Lets look at more unreasonable whining:
You dummy
...you got mad at the reviewer for stating literally what you said, then got mad because the reviewer said it. 
...as if only you get to make certain comments.
Its a compilation...that you staked out with one producer and with T.K. at the helm.
Then for the rest of TKs meta-review, lets say he had a point in calling out the reviewer for missing song credits and getting voices mixed up. Thats all fair.
So...lets see...the album got a 3.6...so even with all of the rest outstanding...what does he want? A 4.0? a 5.0? 6?
How high does the score need to be changed to to compensate for the handful of slight errors TK got in the reviewers eyes?
The music output still matters and nagging over song credits and one bar isn't enough to compensate for the fact that the sonics of the album don't meet their goal, because i'm sure if it sounded good, most of that score would have been compensated for in other ways.
TK is reaching like a little scorned child and if he's going to take his issue up with pitchfork then he needs to do it with everyone else who gave him reviews. They're not even that high.
Oh and lets not let facts get in the way...He got a fukking 6.3...not a 3.6. Which isn't even that bad from Pitchfork. 4-5 territory is where you need to be worried. Hell, BARELY 8s get honorable mentions from them.
After this, Mosi goes on to write how INDIE 500 “loses focus” but is not really able to articulate why he felt that way. His examples? He says “Pay Ya Dues” lacks “competitive tension, but is a nice display of the trio’s lyrical skills.” Well Mosi, that was the point of the song. Mosi then describes my “humble brags” on “Lo -Fi” as “perfunctory.” But again, he misses context. Taking the line “promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread” completely out of context to satisfy an indefensible point comes off as very insincere. For context, here are the rest of the bars:
“Pull up to any club on a moped with some dirty ass Pro-Keds looking lo res / The bouncer be like go head / Promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread / surrounded by the dope and the coke heads burning candles at both ends”
How is this a humble brag? It’s not. It’s a slightly self-deprecating critique of the ridiculous pretentiousness of velvet rope club culture, not a brag about how I pop bottles in the club. Had the writer not lifted one bar out of context for the sake of turning in a quick review, he might have caught that. This illustrates a larger problem in blog reviews of art that people put their heart and soul into. Blogs are trying to keep the eyes, literally by the second. This means constant, non-stop content and reviews of pieces of art that are lauded for being first, not fair. How could a writer, any writer, take in an album that took us a year or two to put together, in one day? One week? They couldn’t. So they rely on personal bias and past musical knowledge to fill in the blanks, which is where that whole “celebrity straw man” thing came from. They rush their reviews, so they make assumptions and write reviews that are factually incorrect. They take lyrics completely out of context and judge them for the world to see, all because they didn’t have the time to let the lyrics sink in. This makes it very ironic when Mosi writes that the “execution felt rushed” in terms of INDIE 500.This negro right here man...the review was right...those back ass bars WERE perfunctory. They LITERALLY were lazy and cliche and tired and angsty.
Of course T.K. would take offense to that...it strikes at the core of like 80% of his career's lazy lyricism and recycled song concepts.
Lets look at more unreasonable whining:
Mosi writes “Kweli appears on all but 3 tracks yet the album sounds more like a compilation than a concise effort between him and 9th Wonder.” This sentence is one of my biggest issues with this review. This album was never supposed to be a “concise effort” between 9th and I. We’ve never said that, we never presented it as such. We ALWAYS said it was a compilation. So if it feels like a compilation to Mosi, then guess what, we did our job. Well. If Mosi was paying more attention to what people like 9th and I actually say and do, as opposed to what blogs say about us, then he would have caught that. If Mosi review is based on him thinking this album was something it never was, than his review is flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
You dummy
...you got mad at the reviewer for stating literally what you said, then got mad because the reviewer said it. ...as if only you get to make certain comments.Its a compilation...that you staked out with one producer and with T.K. at the helm.
Then for the rest of TKs meta-review, lets say he had a point in calling out the reviewer for missing song credits and getting voices mixed up. Thats all fair.
So...lets see...the album got a 3.6...so even with all of the rest outstanding...what does he want? A 4.0? a 5.0? 6?
How high does the score need to be changed to to compensate for the handful of slight errors TK got in the reviewers eyes?
The music output still matters and nagging over song credits and one bar isn't enough to compensate for the fact that the sonics of the album don't meet their goal, because i'm sure if it sounded good, most of that score would have been compensated for in other ways.
TK is reaching like a little scorned child and if he's going to take his issue up with pitchfork then he needs to do it with everyone else who gave him reviews. They're not even that high.
Oh and lets not let facts get in the way...He got a fukking 6.3...not a 3.6. Which isn't even that bad from Pitchfork. 4-5 territory is where you need to be worried. Hell, BARELY 8s get honorable mentions from them.
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Let me demonstrate why Kweli is full of shyt:
After this, Mosi goes on to write how INDIE 500 “loses focus” but is not really able to articulate why he felt that way. His examples? He says “Pay Ya Dues” lacks “competitive tension, but is a nice display of the trio’s lyrical skills.” Well Mosi, that was the point of the song. Mosi then describes my “humble brags” on “Lo -Fi” as “perfunctory.” But again, he misses context. Taking the line “promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread” completely out of context to satisfy an indefensible point comes off as very insincere. For context, here are the rest of the bars:
“Pull up to any club on a moped with some dirty ass Pro-Keds looking lo res / The bouncer be like go head / Promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread / surrounded by the dope and the coke heads burning candles at both ends”How is this a humble brag? It’s not. It’s a slightly self-deprecating critique of the ridiculous pretentiousness of velvet rope club culture, not a brag about how I pop bottles in the club. Had the writer not lifted one bar out of context for the sake of turning in a quick review, he might have caught that. This illustrates a larger problem in blog reviews of art that people put their heart and soul into. Blogs are trying to keep the eyes, literally by the second. This means constant, non-stop content and reviews of pieces of art that are lauded for being first, not fair. How could a writer, any writer, take in an album that took us a year or two to put together, in one day? One week? They couldn’t. So they rely on personal bias and past musical knowledge to fill in the blanks, which is where that whole “celebrity straw man” thing came from. They rush their reviews, so they make assumptions and write reviews that are factually incorrect. They take lyrics completely out of context and judge them for the world to see, all because they didn’t have the time to let the lyrics sink in. This makes it very ironic when Mosi writes that the “execution felt rushed” in terms of INDIE 500.
This negro right here man...the review was right...those back ass bars WERE perfunctory. They LITERALLY were lazy and cliche and tired and angsty.
Of course T.K. would take offense to that...it strikes at the core of like 80% of his career's lazy lyricism and recycled song concepts.
Lets look at more unreasonable whining:
Mosi writes “Kweli appears on all but 3 tracks yet the album sounds more like a compilation than a concise effort between him and 9th Wonder.” This sentence is one of my biggest issues with this review. This album was never supposed to be a “concise effort” between 9th and I. We’ve never said that, we never presented it as such. We ALWAYS said it was a compilation. So if it feels like a compilation to Mosi, then guess what, we did our job. Well. If Mosi was paying more attention to what people like 9th and I actually say and do, as opposed to what blogs say about us, then he would have caught that. If Mosi review is based on him thinking this album was something it never was, than his review is flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
You dummy
Its a compilation...that you staked out with one producer and with T.K. at the helm.
Then for the rest of TKs meta-review, lets say he had a point in calling out the reviewer for missing song credits and getting voices mixed up. Thats all fair.
So...lets see...the album got a 3.6...so even with all of the rest outstanding...what does he want? A 4.0? a 5.0? 6?
How high does the score need to be changed to to compensate for the handful of slight errors TK got in the reviewers eyes?
The music output still matters and nagging over song credits and one bar isn't enough to compensate for the fact that the sonics of the album don't meet their goal, because i'm sure if it sounded good, most of that score would have been compensated for in other ways.
TK is reaching like a little scorned child and if he's going to take his issue up with pitchfork then he needs to do it with everyone else who gave him reviews. They're not even that high.
Oh and lets not let facts get in the way...He got a fukking 6.3...not a 3.6. Which isn't even that bad from Pitchfork. 4-5 territory is where you need to be worried. Hell, BARELY 8s get honorable mentions from them.
You work for Pitchfork or something? He got mad because the reviewer wanted and expected a concise effort not a compilation which is what it always supposed to be.
Do i work for PF?
hell no...but i'm not giving Kweli a pass if he only points out 3 things, 2 of which are bullshyt:
1. calling out a compilation? Wow Really? Big deal...still doesn't sound THAT great
2. Mixing up album credits? And? Still doesn't affect the sound.
3. Criticizing lyrics? Yeah. thats completely fukking valid.
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Its kind of difficult when a percentage of your sales are based off of your reviews. You're smarter than this little napoleonor he could ignore critics and make what he wants to make.
Dudes gotta stop legitimizing their haters if they claim to "not care" so much.
TK fukked up:
1. He gave this PF more life than it needed by even taking time out to blog about it, and poorly. Dude can't accept ANY criticism. NONE. NOT ANY. Dude can't even accept that his co-song writers are weak or that his lyrics can *gasp* be interpreted differently...
2. On his own review he pretended like he got a 3.6...no TK...you got a 6.3...which is in the middle of the pack for PF and you should be grateful for even THAT much.
3. He cares too much even still. Fam, your own meta-review wasn't even focused enough to address the fact that SONICALLY, despite a few nitpicks and getting and average rating, your album was weak sauce....and no one is obligated to fukking like it.
Precisely...I'm supposed to respect that you took 1 year to write something and I didn't like it?
Well damn fam, smarten up with your time or hang it up...cause the length of time you spent on something isn't going to make me like it any more or less.
he thinks if he attacks the writer's specific criticisms then there's nothing left to criticize and the album is perfect
the writer probably picked the score based entirely on the feel of the first listen then picked whatever things to write to make the review interesting
the album is a 6 because the shyt is weak, boring, not catchy, etc. not cuz he bragged or didn't brag in a line or if 9th or khrysis made a beat
he's harping on minor details no one cares about
probably one of the reasons why he can't make good music
Let me demonstrate why Kweli is full of shyt:
After this, Mosi goes on to write how INDIE 500 “loses focus” but is not really able to articulate why he felt that way. His examples? He says “Pay Ya Dues” lacks “competitive tension, but is a nice display of the trio’s lyrical skills.” Well Mosi, that was the point of the song. Mosi then describes my “humble brags” on “Lo -Fi” as “perfunctory.” But again, he misses context. Taking the line “promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread” completely out of context to satisfy an indefensible point comes off as very insincere. For context, here are the rest of the bars:
“Pull up to any club on a moped with some dirty ass Pro-Keds looking lo res / The bouncer be like go head / Promoters will walk me right to a table and be like this is your spread / surrounded by the dope and the coke heads burning candles at both ends”How is this a humble brag? It’s not. It’s a slightly self-deprecating critique of the ridiculous pretentiousness of velvet rope club culture, not a brag about how I pop bottles in the club. Had the writer not lifted one bar out of context for the sake of turning in a quick review, he might have caught that. This illustrates a larger problem in blog reviews of art that people put their heart and soul into. Blogs are trying to keep the eyes, literally by the second. This means constant, non-stop content and reviews of pieces of art that are lauded for being first, not fair. How could a writer, any writer, take in an album that took us a year or two to put together, in one day? One week? They couldn’t. So they rely on personal bias and past musical knowledge to fill in the blanks, which is where that whole “celebrity straw man” thing came from. They rush their reviews, so they make assumptions and write reviews that are factually incorrect. They take lyrics completely out of context and judge them for the world to see, all because they didn’t have the time to let the lyrics sink in. This makes it very ironic when Mosi writes that the “execution felt rushed” in terms of INDIE 500.
This negro right here man...the review was right...those back ass bars WERE perfunctory. They LITERALLY were lazy and cliche and tired and angsty.
Of course T.K. would take offense to that...it strikes at the core of like 80% of his career's lazy lyricism and recycled song concepts.
Lets look at more unreasonable whining:
Mosi writes “Kweli appears on all but 3 tracks yet the album sounds more like a compilation than a concise effort between him and 9th Wonder.” This sentence is one of my biggest issues with this review. This album was never supposed to be a “concise effort” between 9th and I. We’ve never said that, we never presented it as such. We ALWAYS said it was a compilation. So if it feels like a compilation to Mosi, then guess what, we did our job. Well. If Mosi was paying more attention to what people like 9th and I actually say and do, as opposed to what blogs say about us, then he would have caught that. If Mosi review is based on him thinking this album was something it never was, than his review is flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
You dummy
Its a compilation...that you staked out with one producer and with T.K. at the helm.
Then for the rest of TKs meta-review, lets say he had a point in calling out the reviewer for missing song credits and getting voices mixed up. Thats all fair.
So...lets see...the album got a 3.6...so even with all of the rest outstanding...what does he want? A 4.0? a 5.0? 6?
How high does the score need to be changed to to compensate for the handful of slight errors TK got in the reviewers eyes?
The music output still matters and nagging over song credits and one bar isn't enough to compensate for the fact that the sonics of the album don't meet their goal, because i'm sure if it sounded good, most of that score would have been compensated for in other ways.
TK is reaching like a little scorned child and if he's going to take his issue up with pitchfork then he needs to do it with everyone else who gave him reviews. They're not even that high.
Oh and lets not let facts get in the way...He got a fukking 6.3...not a 3.6. Which isn't even that bad from Pitchfork. 4-5 territory is where you need to be worried. Hell, BARELY 8s get honorable mentions from them.
Let me tell you whats wrong with this post
1. Kweli never said that white people shouldn't review hip hop albums, thats a strawman
2. The Pitchfork writer was dead wrong for calling Kweli a "race baiting thug" and the fact that you defended it makes you look stupid
3. I didn't read your post
If you have a problem with my review of your post don't bother responding cuz all you're doing is legitimizing a hater.