T.I. Says Iggy Azalea Criticism Pisses Him Off

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Aborigines ARE black they're just not from Africa they're native toAustralia. They have been here for at least 40-50,000 years I believe it's the oldest living culture in the world. There wasn't the systemised slavery that you had in USA and there are lots of other differences but lots of similarities when it comes to racism towards black fellas in Oz. Because we didn't have slavery in the same way as USA we never had that "we own you" type of mentality in the country it's more like they're not human or not worthy of the same treatment as the whitefella. There's still the police brutality and prejudice like USA and there's the blacks are all just criminals and bludger mentality in the general community.

Aboriginals can be dark as fukk like almost purple or they can whiter than me. I think it's not the dominant gene like the African type generally is. You can have blonde blue eyed white aboriginals these days because of interbreeding, rape in the past and intermarriage these days. In general most aborigines here have a better connection to their original culture than the black Americans. Many aborigines still know their dreaming or parts of their language, more so in the bush areas but many city dwellers go in the mission for weeks at a time or longer to be in contact with their history and culture.
Like I've said racism here is alive and prevalent, similar in many ways but also different in many ways to the racism in USA

Aborigines are a type of Pacific Islander so they're different to blacks.But that's not a relevant distinction here. The point is that the Australians have long believed the Aborigines were black and treated them horribly as such. That is the crux of the situation and the reason why saying "racism only exists in the USA" in this matter is patently ridiculous.

I agree with the end of your post as relates racism.
 
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Aborigines aren't black. They're a type of Pacific Islander. They aren't even genetically related to blacks, as you say. But that's not a relevant distinction here. The point is that the Australians have long believed the Aborigines were black and treated them horribly as such. That is the crux of the situation and the reason why saying "racism only exists in the USA" in this matter is patently ridiculous.

I agree with the end of your post as relates racism.

They are black because they are black skinned. It doesn't matter if they're are more related to the Pacific Islanders. They make a distinction between the Torres Strait Islander people here and aborigines. They are different to the people in PNG for example. The big main aesthetic difference would be the hair. It's not nappy or curly like African or even PNG it's straight. I don't now the genetic make up of the race and all that I just know they're different to the African blacks. But saying they "aren't black" is stupid IMO.
 

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Because she's a hip hop artist whose first two singles went #1. This rarely, if ever happens in music. This is a hip hop board, thus she was bound to garner her fair share of attention from hip hop fans regardless of how talented she is. The fact that she has achieved something that most rap artists can only dream about in such a short amount of time, while not possessing 1/4th of the talent that most rap artists have, makes her an even easier target for hate from the hip hop community. Add in the fact that she's a white girl from Australia whose had to imitate a southern black american accent in order to achieve the aforementioned success, and it should come as no surprise that a place like the booth cant seem to stop with the iggy azalea discussion threads. :manny:

For starters, Iggy didn't come in the game with two #1 singles. She's only had the one if I'm not mistaken. There's several artists who have had two or more #1 singles off their debut albums though even if it wasn't their first consecutive singles.

The problem isn't her garnering attention. It's the fake outrage followed by people posting videos in threads that are supposed to be discussing how "fake" she is. Whether or not, she has .01 of the talent of most rap artists is beside the point. That's an opinion. It may be an opinion that I agree with, but I'd rather discuss better artists with better music than concentrate on an artist I don't really have interest in. How many rappers, regardless of race have come in the game, gained success (some more success than Iggy at this point), and been hated on for being wack? Did it change it anything?

She's not the first white girl to have a #1 record rapping and probably won't be the last. Fergie dropped "London Bridge" sounding like Shawnna and that song went #1.
 

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Aborigines aren't black. They're Aborigine. They aren't even genetically related to blacks. But that's not a relevant distinction here. The point is that the Australians have long believed the Aborigines were black and treated me as such. That is the crux of the situation and the reason why saying "racism only exists in the USA" in this matter is patently ridiculous.
the conceptualization of people as Black is directly tied to colonization and skin tone, its not solely to signify African descent. Aborigines were characterized as Black regardless of whether or not they are direct descendants of Africa. It wasn't specifically because they thought Aborigines were African, they actually classified Aborigines as "Australoids" and not as "Negroids", but still called Aborigines "Black". On the racial scale of evolution that was used at the time they actually put Aborigines at the very bottom. It's fukked up.

Historically Aborigines have always been referred to as the Black Australians. They are a Black people, both by their skin and by the historical context of racial relations. They identify as Black and are identified as Black.
 

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Its cringeworthy when raps a lyric reference the year 1988, the dawn of the crack epidemic in America. She's an aussie, a cac and was born in 1990 so wtf does know about 88. The one bar confirmed that TI ghost wrote that song. I am losing respect for TI for this mess.

that's a nas lyric
 

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the conceptualization of people as Black is directly tied to colonization and skin tone, its not solely to signify African descent. Aborigines were characterized as Black regardless of whether or not they are direct descendants of Africa. It wasn't specifically because they thought Aborigines were African, they actually classified Aborigines as "Australoids" and not as "Negroids", but still called Aborigines "Black". On the racial scale of evolution that was used at the time they actually put Aborigines at the very bottom. It's fukked up.

Historically Aborigines have always been referred to as the Black Australians. They are a Black people, both by their skin and by the historical context of racial relations. They identify as Black and are identified as Black.

Some of the mythological bullshyt yall make up about black people is hilarious. So anybody that has brown skin and is tr.eated a certain way in a certain place is "black" now, because you said so. Mexicans in Jan Brewers Arizona must be black too.
 
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There are many brown-skinned peoples in the world. They aren't black merely because they have brown skin or were/are treated a certain way. Science agrees with me so sociological and cultural Australian classifications don't matter. Believe what you want to believe, though.
Yes, there are many Brown people, and they identify as Brown people. Aborigines are part of the world that identifies as Black people.

And "race" is entirely a social construct. Scientifically you can trace descent, however, there are many genetic differences that exist within the same "race" also. "Race" is not scientific in and of itself, but it borrows from science to create definitions of "race". So yes it sociological and cultural classifications do matter.
 

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Yes, there are many Brown people, and they identify as Brown people. Aborigines are part of the world that identifies as Black people.

This is besides the point (which should be about Iggy) but your last post's logic was that a person is black if they are treated a certain oppressive way and have brown skin. Such a notion potentially makes many brown-skinned peoples "black" .This standard is absurd as my reduction shows. In other words: nonsense.

And "race" is entirely a social construct. Scientifically you can trace descent, however, there are many genetic differences that exist within the same "race" also. "Race" is not scientific in and of itself, but it borrows from science to create definitions of "race". So yes it sociological and cultural classifications do matter.

The lines we attach significance when it comes to defining race and separating peoples are social but they are still there, like the biological lines we use to separate rats and turtles into different groups are social when we assign significance to them too. Everything we interpret is in fact social as we interpret it, that does not make those classifications invalid. They are as invalid as the significance of the lines used to separate them. As there are tenets to ethnicity, so there is validity. Whether you want to say those matter enough for us to care is another question (I don't), but what some person believes somewhere does not invalidate obvious fact because they say so.
 
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