"Superfly" HBO 9/9 P4P #1 King Sor-Chocolatito 2 / Cuadras-Estrada / Inoue-Nieves

[The axe murderer]

Fair enough bro. I feel a person who doesn't think weight classes matter doesn't know shyt about boxing. A person who thinks going from 112 to 115 isn't a big deal doesn't know shyt about boxing. Cuz following that flawed newbie logic, 112-115 is a 3 lb difference. Add one more pound and you get 4lbs. But it's only 1 more extra lb right? So Floyd should've went from 154 to 160 right? I mean it's only 4 lbs right? WRONG.

Like I said in my last post, boxers have to adjust to new in ring weights & not the weigh in weight of their opponents. That's the issue. Last night specifically Sor was 127 and Choco 120 I believe. Aside from the functional 7lb advantage on fight night, Sor and Cuadras (when he fought Choco) were alot bigger on fight night than Arroyo, Viloria and Sosa were on fight night when they fought Choco. And that's a given considering they were in the 112 division.

Boxing is pounds and inches...i know most ppl are like not much of a difference going from 105 to 108 to 112 to 115...but there is..esp since you don't know how much weight some of these cats are cutting to make these weights...it could be the top fighters across the board in a division are cutting mad weight..i always use Vic darchinyan as an example...he was elite and a killer at 112 and 115...when he went up to 118 he was competitive but not elite..122 he was ordinary and flawed..126 he became a punching bag and got finished..choc is in a bad position because going down in weight or staying at 115 will prolly damage him some more esp if he doesn't change his style of fighting

Its why I think MMA should have more weight classes (ABC trying to make that happen). You have guys coming near death trying to make crazy weight cuts and the IV ban doesn't make shyt easier. Boxing has more weight divisions but even then you can see the visible effects.

 

[Newzz]

BTW @Newzz are you still gonna fight Cuadras, coming off a loss?

He needs to rebuild himself back up. Plus, with all the acne on his back...Im wondering if #VADA testing will be an issue for him?

 

[Newzz]

Just becuz dude is new on here it doesn't mean his opinion is any less valid. Boxing fans are so hateful. Dude just loss. Let's have some respect here. Chocolatito was already a p4p talent before casuals first watched him on HBO. Moving up a 4th weight class and winning a title there at 46-0 solidified his #1 status. I was shocked to see my bro @Newzz on Twitter right after the fight shytting on Choco and saying he was never p4p1. He cited the move from 112 to 115 as not being enough to justify his decline.

So I'm only gonna say this once to all the ppl on here who never boxed or had to cut weight or add weight- weight classes matter. And if you're saying moving from 112 to 115 shouldn't matter, I have to question if you know shyt about boxing cuz first of all, when you're movin up, it's not the weigh in weight you're trying to adjust to, it's the in ring weight you have to adjust to. You're fighting guys who are bigger on fight night that guys you faced before. And last night Sor rehydrated to 127, and had a functional 7 lb weight advantage on Chocolatito.

But I don't think it was solely the bigger weight that affected him. I feel it was his age of 30 (which affects smaller fighter more than bigger ones), all the wars he's been in in the ring, and imo most notably the passing of his trainer. He's had 2 different trainers since that happened. I feel all those factors play a role in his demise. But obviously the biggest factor was Sor Rungvisai himself. Full credit to him must be given to him.

If you can only move up 7lbs in weight before you start looking shaky you were never the best fighter pound 4 pound.


Stop it breh.



nikkas moving up 20+ lbs in their careers....and still undefeated. He moves up more than 7lbs & immediate struggle happens. But he was the best pound for pound in the world?


Nope. Never did I agree with that foolishness. Overstating the accomplishments of these small ass Boxers need to stop. Imagine Floyd getting knocked out cold at 140? No...Floyd went up 24+ and remained undefeated. Roman goes up 10 lbs & takes 2 Ls, including a spontaneous nap

 

[Newzz]

Fair enough bro. I feel a person who doesn't think weight classes matter doesn't know shyt about boxing. A person who thinks going from 112 to 115 isn't a big deal doesn't know shyt about boxing. Cuz following that flawed newbie logic, 112-115 is a 3 lb difference. Add one more pound and you get 4lbs. But it's only 1 more extra lb right? So Floyd should've went from 154 to 160 right? I mean it's only 4 lbs right? WRONG.

Like I said in my last post, boxers have to adjust to new in ring weights & not the weigh in weight of their opponents. That's the issue. Last night specifically Sor was 127 and Choco 120 I believe. Aside from the functional 7lb advantage on fight night, Sor and Cuadras (when he fought Choco) were alot bigger on fight night than Arroyo, Viloria and Sosa were on fight night when they fought Choco. And that's a given considering they were in the 112 division.

Roman started at 105. At 115, he started taking Ls and being put to sleep. 10 lbs and he's done.

Floyd started at 130. At 154, he's still undefeated. 24 lbs and he still never lost.


Dont compare him to true pound 4 pound fighters.

 

[Liu Kang]

Waiting for Coli brehs to inevitably turn on Inoue considering the HBO dikk polishing

king sor..the king of all kings...the saga of the rat king continues

 

[patscorpio]

Its why I think MMA should have more weight classes (ABC trying to make that happen). You have guys coming near death trying to make crazy weight cuts and the IV ban doesn't make shyt easier. Boxing has more weight divisions but even then you can see the visible effects.

Less weight divisions would end alot of careers especially if they went back to the original 8

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

If you can only move up 7lbs in weight before you start looking shaky you were never the best fighter pound 4 pound.


Stop it breh.



nikkas moving up 20+ lbs in their careers....and still undefeated. He moves up more than 7lbs & immediate struggle happens. But he was the best pound for pound in the world?


Nope. Never did I agree with that foolishness. Overstating the accomplishments of these small ass Boxers need to stop. Imagine Floyd getting knocked out cold at 140? No...Floyd went up 24+ and remained undefeated. Roman goes up 10 lbs & takes 2 Ls, including a spontaneous nap

Roman started at 105. At 115, he started taking Ls and being put to sleep. 10 lbs and he's done.

Floyd started at 130. At 154, he's still undefeated. 24 lbs and he still never lost.


Dont compare him to true pound 4 pound fighters.

 

[The axe murderer]

Less weight divisions would end alot of careers especially if they went back to the original 8

yeah. I see shyt like this and think damn he Scary details emerge of Khabib Nurmagomedov's 4am rush to Las Vegas hospital | JOE.co.uk

 

[David_TheMan]

@Newzz
Come on breh, the smaller the weight the greater the percentage of body weight we are talking about, which is why those 10lbs mean so much from minimumweight to Super flyweight.

 

[David_TheMan]

Less weight divisions would end alot of careers especially if they went back to the original 8

I think overall thats a good thing. 168 doesn't really need to exist. Either get down to 160 or compete at 175 with your natural weight.
On top of that we need same day weigh-ins back, I know the supposed reason, but that was reasoning doesn't hold up to me.
If a fighter is dumb enough to dehydrate and go in the ring he deserves what he gets

 

[patscorpio]

I think overall thats a good thing. 168 doesn't really need to exist. Either get down to 160 or compete at 175 with your natural weight.
On top of that we need same day weigh-ins back, I know the supposed reason, but that was reasoning doesn't hold up to me.
If a fighter is dumb enough to dehydrate and go in the ring he deserves what he gets

I agree with same day weighins because alot of these cats are playing weight games like a motherfukker

Should also go back to 15 rounds for title fights but that's for another convo

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

@Newzz
Come on breh, the smaller the weight the greater the percentage of body weight we are talking about, which is why those 10lbs mean so much from minimumweight to Super flyweight.

I tried to explain it, in fact I did explain it lol amd very well but nikkas still don't get it or want to. It's one of those things that unless you're in the know, you won't get it or understand. Having had to cut weight myself and add weight at times I get it. Also history provides us enough insight into the smaller divisions to see the trends. These guys have short career spans and leave their primes sooner than bigger men. They also can't move up several weight classes as easily as the bigger men.

I think overall thats a good thing. 168 doesn't really need to exist. Either get down to 160 or compete at 175 with your natural weight.
On top of that we need same day weigh-ins back, I know the supposed reason, but that was reasoning doesn't hold up to me.
If a fighter is dumb enough to dehydrate and go in the ring he deserves what he gets

Weight classes matter bro. 168 needs to exist for the guy who's too big to make 160 and too small to be at his best against those at 175. And if we had same day weigh ins the sport would be more true to itself. You'd have boxers competing in the weight class they truly belong in, instead of draining themselves to rehydrate as a bigger man in a smaller division.

 

[David_TheMan]

I agree with same day weighins because alot of these cats are playing weight games like a motherfukker

Should also go back to 15 rounds for title fights but that's for another convo

I agree with the 15 rounds as well, real championship rounds.

I tried to explain it, in fact I did explain it lol amd very well but nikkas still don't get it or want to. It's one of those things that unless you're in the know, you won't get it or understand. Having had to cut weight myself and add weight at times I get it. Also history provides us enough insight into the smaller divisions to see the trends. These guys have short career spans and leave their primes sooner than bigger men. They also can't move up several weight classes as easily as the bigger men.




Weight classes matter bro. 168 needs to exist for the guy who's too big to make 160 and too small to be at his best against those at 175. And if we had same day weigh ins the sport would be more true to itself. You'd have boxers competing in the weight class they truly belong in, instead of draining themselves to rehydrate as a bigger man in a smaller division.

I disagree with you on the weight classes, we have to many.
You don't have to fight at the max of every weight class either, I hate that people forget that, MW MAX weight is 160, you can fight at anyweight under that if you want, its just the MAX weight is 160. I remember Floyd beating Oscar at 154 but weighting 147 fight night. GGG would beat plenty of fighters at 175, you get rid of the excessive weightclasses you get rid of talent dilution, the best will rise to the top regardless and there is less chance at keeping them segregated from each other. IMO

 

[Liu Kang]

I think overall thats a good thing. 168 doesn't really need to exist. Either get down to 160 or compete at 175 with your natural weight.
On top of that we need same day weigh-ins back, I know the supposed reason, but that was reasoning doesn't hold up to me.
If a fighter is dumb enough to dehydrate and go in the ring he deserves what he gets

Agree. Why protect people that cut weight only to gain unfair power advantage.

 

[BeatsBoxingMayhem]

Good discussion here. Part of the reason smaller fighters flame out quicker is they don't have the luxury of "testing the waters" and easing into divisions with exhibition fights. To maximize earnings, the best truly fight the best and quickly. That's why a guy like Inoue became a lineal champ in less than 10 fights and already has picked up titles in two different weight classes.

There isn't another fighter currently on the Pound 4 Pound list that's fought in four different weight classes, or faced a fighter on the level of a Cuadras for their first bout in a new weight class. When Manny hit his 4th weight class, his first fight was against the easiest available champ in David Diaz. Floyd did Sharmba Mitchell for his fourth weight class debut. History might have been different if they jumped and went in with the biggest threat available like Nate Campbell or Antonio Margarito.

Even a supreme talent like Ward had the luxury of easing into 175 against guys like Paul Smith, Sullivan Barrera and Alexander Brand. What if he had to jump straight from168 in there against Adonis Stevenson?