Suge Knight:"Dr.Dre & Snoop Dogg's Jealousy Of Tupac Is What fukked Up Deathrow Records"

[Jefferson Jackson]

So you think work ethic was the problem? Nate Dogg had a whole album ready to be released. A classic album at that and Suge shelved it.

How do you know Dre was lazy. He doesn’t come across as that type

and we a'int even gonna get into Dre's multiple social media posts where he's acting like something will be released but yet NEVER sees the light of day...and this is over the course of like 3 decades...

 

[doggy]

and we a'int even gonna get into Dre's multiple social media posts where he's acting like something will be released but yet NEVER sees the light of day...and this is over the course of like 3 decades...

So that makes him lazy? He’s just a perfectionist who doesn’t want to tarnish his legacy with subpar material

 

[Da King]

Are people still listening to his podcast?

I kinda give up after episode two, when you realised it 98% lies.

Oh but Puffy is telling the truth huh?

 

[PHamm]

That is not true at all

Shhhhh the lies make a better story

 

[Michael's Black Son]

So you think work ethic was the problem? Nate Dogg had a whole album ready to be released. A classic album at that and Suge shelved it.

How do you know Dre was lazy. He doesn’t come across as that type

Yes.

Work ethic was an issue. Not saying they weren’t doing anything all day every day. And it wouldn’t be fair to compare Pac’s work ethic to the entire industry but this dude suddenly becomes your co-worker, puts you on his smash hit project immediately and you have access to seeing his habits then it’s time to re-tool your formula.

It’s commonly known how slow Dre worked in those days to a point where he didn’t have any project ready for California Love so it went to Pac since Pac was pumping out content and put the whole label to work. It’s not like Dre was taking his time writing the perfect raps because J Flexx was cooking for him and Sam Sneed.

I don’t think Nate dropping at that time would’ve been a good idea and he should’ve been farmed out to do hooks for non Death Row artists long before he did it after he left the label. After Pac, Rage should’ve been up next but I think she needed surefire good tracks from non Death Row producers — and a good candidate to launch Death Row East showcasing her holding her own against east coast lyricists.

OFTB should’ve been a regional act like BlueBucksClan or turn them into a west coast MOP and stay in that lane because they would never be mainstream. Drop another Dogg Pound album and keep the group intact despite Kurupt’s lyricism. He was also lazy.

Without solid songwriting Jewell would’ve been a tough sell outside of background work but she showed promised on the Above The Rim soundtrack. But she’d be going toe to to with Mary and Faith, with younger chicks like Brandy, Monica and Aaliyah on the horizon. Getting DeVante (and by that I mean Missy) and R Kelly to write for her would’ve been a priority. Michel’le on the label was pointless but she was Dre’s bítch — then Suge’s.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Pac was their golden goose so I don’t fault him for not being as laidback about work as the others were.

Back in the Chronic/Doggystyle days, Dre was dealing with so much legal shït because he was intent on crashing out so all he could really do was hide in the studio and work on music and two great projects came out of it. But his work ethic was mediocre and he was a poor leader — and another reason why an artist shouldn't be running a label.

A better fit for him would’ve been in a Quincy Jones type lane and working with artists all over the map to shape the sound of tracks they already did — and be the poster boy for Death Row. That would’ve sanitized the myth of Suge and gave them inroads in the East (and probably the South) if the mighty Dr Dre is pulling up to D&D Studios to mix something or soaking up some of Dallas Austin’s energy in Atlanta.

Dre was just lazy. You get a second wind after the Ruthless thing, go do something else instead of linking with the rap version of dikk Griffey and Gene Griffin.

Any resentment from the other artists on Death Row is on them. Warren G was around years before Pac and proved that you didn’t need Suge/Dre to wave the magic wand in your direction — go after it yourself.

And there was a lot of learn from Pac. He took all of the producers sitting on the bench at Death Row and made Makaveli in 3 damn days. Everyone else could’ve done their own version of that but Suge spoiled all of them when they could’ve used their resources to find unknown producers who would’ve been eager to work on the next Death Row project.

I remember talking to Hurt my badd and he said them Makaveli sessions were tense. Pac was a one take type of dude and ppl had to work at his speed. Pac had him literally make a beat from scratch in front of him. Said it was nerve wracking at first but when he finished it Pac went crazy In love with it. It was either me and my girlfriend or white manz world.

Them nikkas got money and comfortable. Pac was on a mission

 

[Michael's Black Son]

I remember talking to Hurt my badd and he said them Makaveli sessions were tense. Pac was a one take type of dude and ppl had to work at his speed. Pac had him literally make a beat from scratch in front of him. Said it was nerve wracking at first but when he finished it Pac went crazy In love with it. It was either me and my girlfriend or white manz world.

Them nikkas got money and comfortable. Pac was on a mission

Yup.

Folks gotta take advantage of all we know about Death Row now. It was wild over there but Suge took care of EVERYONE. all of those artists in the pre-Pac days who weren’t making $ for the company spent money like Doggystyle had their name on it. Everyone lived either in the same housing complex that DR paid for or were in hotels living it up. Danny Boy and Jewell admitted it.

I’m sure everyone was hyped and pissed at the same time when Pac arrived because it’s like Kobe signing to your team but now y’all better come to the gym at 5am every day and workout before regular practice.

You had a bunch of non Dre/Daz/Quik/Johnny J producers over there and no one was using them — but Pac did. Like I said before, they saw what Warren did and that should’ve been the cue because that was like 2 years before Pac arrived.

If I got a Death Row co-sign I’m using it. Find a lane instead of waiting to be assigned one because you could save Def Jam, like Warren did.

 

[doggy]

Yup.

Folks gotta take advantage of all we know about Death Row now. It was wild over there but Suge took care of EVERYONE. all of those artists in the pre-Pac days who weren’t making $ for the company spent money like Doggystyle had their name on it. Everyone lived either in the same housing complex that DR paid for or were in hotels living it up. Danny Boy and Jewell admitted it.

I’m sure everyone was hyped and pissed at the same time when Pac arrived because it’s like Kobe signing to your team but now y’all better come to the gym at 5am every day and workout before regular practice.

You had a bunch of non Dre/Daz/Quik/Johnny J producers over there and no one was using them — but Pac did. Like I said before, they saw what Warren did and that should’ve been the cue because that was like 2 years before Pac arrived.

If I got a Death Row co-sign I’m using it. Find a lane instead of waiting to be assigned one because you could save Def Jam, like Warren did.

You say that as if they could just make moves and Suge would approve. Suge had all those artists by the nuts. Show up 5 am work all day then what? Suges gonna put your project out over Pac? Rage had a full album done and released and got zero promotion or marketing

 

[Sccit]

IMAGINE THINKING THE GREATEST PRODUCER IN HIP-HOP HISTORY IS “LAZY”

 

[Michael's Black Son]

You say that as if they could just make moves and Suge would approve. Suge had all those artists by the nuts. Show up 5 am work all day then what? Suges gonna put your project out over Pac? Rage had a full album done and released and got zero promotion or marketing

Breh, the rule at Death Row was whoever was hot and had something in the works, everyone puts in on it. It’s on the artist to come up with something that’s going to be a hit.

Now if a once in a generation talent comes to the label it’s understandable that this is where the focus is temporarily going. But in the meantime, soak up some game because that same generational talent had no issue putting everyone on his album instead of it just being E40, Richie Rich, Dru Down and everyone else from the Bay.

Suge had them by the nuts but he was also looking out for them. Not saying he was an angel but if you sign with this man then you know what you’re getting yourself into.

I don’t think Rage’s project was ready for mass consumption as we finally got it. It needed work and would’ve flopped in 1995-96. She needed different marketing, sound and to stand on her own away from the other artists. There was a glaring lack of project managers to shape the path of how we received her record. A better move would be to present her “invading” a spot where all the best lyricists congregate in NYC (or wherever) and then her having to prove herself or she can’t leave. Build a story/narrative out of that and use it as a vehicle for her to get Primo, Easy Mo Bee, Pete Rock and RZA to throw her tracks for an album.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Suge, Your "Cash Cow" shouldn't have fought Orlando Anderson, that was the job for the former DR flunkies who likes to go on podcasts telling their glory in this day and time.

Pac dying could have been prevented.


Dre leaving was the beginning of the end and Pac would have left too

All this right here.

Damn near 28 years later, and Suge still doesn't hold himself accountable for anything. Some people just don’t learn. Sh*t is wild.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

Suge, Your "Cash Cow" shouldn't have fought Orlando Anderson, that was the job for the former DR flunkies who likes to go on podcasts telling their glory in this day and time.

Pac dying could have been prevented.


Dre leaving was the beginning of the end and Pac would have left too

Suge is a bozo.

He had a guy who was a damn worker who was like a student that would come to school on Saturday and he has him caught up in gansta shít.

Go do that dumb stuff with OFTB and watch them all eventually get killed off.

For one, you don’t have guys like Frank and Reggie guarding him. The same people watching over Billy Joel and Springsteen are who you hire. Meanwhile this guy knows he owes plenty to you and Jimmy but his debt was being paid in real time, so just make sure he has what he needs do film these movies and work on the narrative for his next album.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Dre never said shyt bad about Pac. How was he jealous?


Nikka u being a fat studio thug is what destroyed deathrow. U putting a battery in your talents‘ back and having them running around doing lil nikka shyt is what killed ya label. U treating ya talent like trash and physically abusing them is what killed ya label. Stop being a bytch ass nikka and practice some muthafukkin accountability. Nikkas worst than females.

 

[R=G]

Definitely jealous of him but everybody was. I mean now we in 2023 with all these unheard of tales of people claiming they had diss records. Funny...they were scared as a motherfukker to put those out in 1996. Any of em. Mobb Deep, Puffy, Jay Z, Nas, Biggie, Lil Kim, etc.

 

[R=G]

I understand what you're saying about Pac not fighting Orlando but, as the footage shows that night, Pac was the one leading the way with Death Row associates behind him. At that point, there is really nothing you can tell a grown ass man like Pac what to do in that situation especially with him running off adrenaline from the Tyson fight and I'm pretty sure Pac wasn't sober that night. I really don't think Death Row's entourage expected Pac to be the first one to punch on Orlando.

Pac was doomed from the start and there was nothing Suge or Death Row's entourage could do about it

It was meant to be..Tupac wasn't wrong. People just think like that after the fact.