Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread

[ThaBronxBully]

All This Melo Talk Has Sucked All The Life Out Of This Thread, Jesus Christ

 

[Trip]

All This Melo Talk Has Sucked All The Life Out Of This Thread, Jesus Christ

I didnt plan on showing up until at least late November. But alas, the Knicks do it again.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

I didnt plan on showing up until at least late November. But alas, the Knicks do it again.

Yeah Like You Planned On Adding Anything Interesting To Say About Knicks Baskeball Anyway

Lemme Guess Ur Outlook On The Season:

Melo, Melo, Melo, Shot Selection, James Dolan, Isiah Thomas, CAA, Jr Smith, Melo, Melo, Melo, Shot Selection, James Dolan

 

[Trip]

Yeah Like You Planned On Adding Anything Interesting To Say About Knicks Baskeball Anyway

Lemme Guess Ur Outlook On The Season:

Melo, Melo, Melo, Shot Selection, James Dolan, Isiah Thomas, CAA, Jr Smith, Melo, Melo, Melo, Shot Selection, James Dolan

Is there anything else to talk about? I dont blindly root for teams. If Tebow was still with the Jets I'd be eviscerating their front office just the same.

you have an 82 game season with a team with an obvious ceiling and no draft picks. You can dissect every game but we know how the seasons going to end anyways.

The Knicks need a coach who's going to challenge Melo and until that happens its going to be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. He has way too much control within the organization.

 

[The War Report]

I won't be surprised if this team leads the league in techs.

 

[I.V.]

Those players won't get max levels all. They might get mini-max deals (in the case of Aldridge, Granger) or they may take less money to play in a similarly competitive situation (in the case of Bosh, coming off 2 rings). I don't know where all this "shut the fukk up" is coming from. Melo takes up a lot of salary for a player who hasn't shown he wins at the level of people who command similar dollars. And he'll be on the wrong side of 30 when he demands this deal.

You don't know what a mini-max is, and how it's valued against the cap. The years may be shorter, but the money is the same. It doesn't add up. period.

He's already doing to the NYK organization what he did to Denver, which is to be expected. He gotta get his and that's his leverage. But it doesn't put me, as a fan, in the best place because he hasn't delivered Ewing-level wins. It seems like we need to re-evaluate the market and our strategies for getting to the top.

You wanna say this? Fine. You wanna say that Melo isn't the way to go, and the Knicks should go back into rebuilding? Or flush it and try their hand at the free agent market again? Ok.

I think people forget that LeBron didn't even give us a sniff when he was available. Chris Paul wasn't interested. We had to settle for Amar'e. STAT made us relevant, paired with some young talent, and got us a shot at Melo.

In two years, we're gonna have most of this money off the books, and they'll have a decision to make: Start over, or clutch to what's left of a playoff team.

Which route has the Knicks Organization historically gone for?

You're having two separate conversations right now:
1) The Knicks can sign a bunch of top-tier free agents if they don't sign Melo... This is incorrect.
2) Carmelo Anthony isn't worth 25 Million per year. This is a valid concept, argued poorly by... well, you.

The fact is, within basketball - you have to replace production. Danny Granger can not replicate Melo's production. And he's got a major knee surgery, and possible degenerative issues on his docket, which Melo does not. LaMarcus Aldridge is a very good power forward who doesn't impact the game defensively enough to be considered an elite player. Chris Bosh is straight up not a no. 1 option. Never has been. Can't be. Won't be. Rondo can't be the best player on a successful nba team, he can't score consistently on his own.

I'm willing to entertain a melo convo that makes sense. Always have been. I'm not in love with his game. I was calling for full rebuilding YEARS ago. Instead we went the Celtics route with a lesser selection of players. Maybe at one time Melo/Tyson/Amar'e could have rivaled Pierce/KG/Ray - but they're not as complimentary... and we didn't have an elite distributor and defender at the point to make it go.

Such is life.

Just do a little research and a little math before you start throwing out names, especially when Boogie already GOT a deal. Ya'no?

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Is there anything else to talk about? I dont blindly root for teams. If Tebow was still with the Jets I'd be eviscerating their front office just the same.

you have an 82 game season with a team with an obvious ceiling and no draft picks. You can dissect every game but we know how the seasons going to end anyways.

You Talk Like A Guy Sitting In On Board Meetings, We All Know The Politics Of The Knicks, But Theres Also The Sport Of Basketball To Discuss, Which You Never Seem Interested In Discussing

Everyone In Here Knows How You Feel, Why The Insistence In Constantly Telling Us? You Bring Nothing New To The Table, EVER

 

[Trip]

You Talk Like A Guy Sitting In On Board Meetings, We All Know The Politics Of The Knicks, But Theres Also The Sport Of Basketball To Discuss, Which You Never Seem Interested In Discussing

Everyone In Here Knows How You Feel, Why The Insistence In Constantly Telling Us? You Bring Nothing New To The Table, EVER

Can we talk about why the Knicks just fired their GM the day before the season and how no one within the organization is telling the public why?

Nothing to the table....I know more basketball than most here. Building a team around Melo and letting him call the shots is absurdly stupid. Care to discuss? He's too limited as a player to be the #1 guy and he's the same exact player as he was as a rookie as he is now. The Knicks are all in on that. And you blindly accept it. You're the perfect reason why James Dolan couldnt give two shyts about winning....he's got fans like you regardless.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Nah you right. He's a superstar. I think he's an entertaining player.

We were talking about different things and I made it about winning. My bad.

For the record though, no smileys needed...those other guys are/were superstars because they won, including KD. What's Melo's playoff win percentage? In ten years he's played 66 games in the postseason. KD has played 54 playoff games in 5 years. Doc and KG and KD went to the finals. If he's a "superstar" it's during the regular season and, as a fan, I don't enjoy that kind of entertainment.

What was KG's "playoff winning percentage" before he linked up with Paul Pierce? What was Paul Pierce's "playoff winning percentage" before they connected? What's chris paul's "playoff winning percentage"....newsflash dyckhead, its a team game, and there are only 2 playoff series, maybe 3, that a melo team should have theoretically won on paper, but didnt, in his whole career.

 

[I.V.]

Can we talk about why the Knicks just fired their GM the day before the season and how no one within the organization is telling the public why?

I can tell you why. He's a crony fukk. Grunwald never had any real power, and didn't even hold the title he deserved. Dolan is the worst, and the Knicks front office is a sham-orgy.

Still, we gotta talk basketball, because I still root for them. I want them to be good.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Can we talk about why the Knicks just fired their GM the day before the season and how no one within the organization is telling the public why?

Nothing to the table....I know more basketball than most here. Building a team around Melo and letting him call the shots is absurdly stupid. Care to discuss? He's too limited as a player to be the #1 guy and he's the same exact player as he was as a rookie as he is now. The Knicks are all in on that. And you blindly accept it. You're the perfect reason why James Dolan couldnt give two shyts about winning....he's got fans like you regardless.

You Call People Blind And You Come In The Knicks Thread Every Year To bytch About The Same Old Topic, Unless Dolan Dies Sometime Soon What Is Your Mission Here?

We ALL bytch About The State Of The Knicks, Find A Guy Here Happy With The State Of Our Front Office. But We Cant Do shyt About It

At The End Of The Day We Still Have A Group Of Guys That We Cheer On To Win Some Basketball Games, Unless The Entire City Is Gonna Ban Themselves From Attending And Watching The Knicks You're Wasting Ya Time Spending ALL Of Your Energy On It

 

[Trip]

You Call People Blind And You Come In The Knicks Thread Every Year To bytch About The Same Old Topic, Unless Dolan Dies Sometime Soon What Is Your Mission Here?

We ALL bytch About The State Of The Knicks, Find A Guy Here Happy With The State Of Our Front Office. But We Cant Do shyt About It

At The End Of The Day We Still Have A Group Of Guys That We Cheer On To Win Some Basketball Games, Unless The Entire City Is Gonna Ban Themselves From Attending And Watching The Knicks We Wasting Ya Time Spending ALL Of Your Energy On It

I agree with you. I just use this forum to vent my frustration with the franchise. I spotted this bullshyt a long time ago. My opinions on the matter just dont blend well with the younger Knicks fan here who blindly accept Dolan for who he is. The guy is the worst owner is sports. If I knew where to begin on how to get Dolan out, I'd be the first on line.

 

[Trip]

I can tell you why. He's a crony fukk. Grunwald never had any real power, and didn't even hold the title he deserved. Dolan is the worst, and the Knicks front office is a sham-orgy.

Still, we gotta talk basketball, because I still root for them. I want them to be good.

I dont get it at all. Why are the Knicks like this? Is Dolan sick or something?

 

[The War Report]

Dolan is the antithesis of Jerry Buss. He's fukking Bizarro Buss.

 

[I.V.]

I dont get it at all. Why are the Knicks like this? Is Dolan sick or something?

Because the owner has never worked a day in his life, and inherited his industry, his wealth, and the team from his father. He's desperate to be cool, but allergic to anything but absolute agreement. He started a band that for YEARS garden employees were REQUIRED not just to attend the concerts of... but BUY tickets. They've chased off everyone that has ever provided a balanced approach to thinking about the team - coaches, front office people, PR men. Everyone. If you offered a differing opinion, you were sequestered, cut out, and then eventually fired and napalmed.