Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread

[K-ZOE]

You know what's the difference between Melo and all the guys you named? Check the # of playoffs games those dudes have won.





I'll just leave it at that.

Well off top I can tell you KG, KD, and Doc don't have a massive amount of playoff wins so of course there's that. Also, the uninitiated might not see you trying to move the goal post on what's being debated here, but I'm looking dead at you. We were talking about whether Melo is a superstar. Not playoff wins. Bad try. Lol @ them smilies like you dropped a mind blowing gem or something.

 

[mvp_status]

If the Knicks lose to the Heat in the ECF have at it.

Problem is there's an obvious ceiling for this team and zero flexibility going forward. Not to mention, the mess going on in the front office.

Front office bullshyt aside, I highly doubt think the Knicks are bringing Tyson & Amare back, at the very least not at their current salaries.

The cap room flexibility will be there soon enough, what they actually do with it is another thing

edit: add Bargnani to that as well

 

[drewbreez]

Well off top I can tell you KG, KD, and Doc don't have a massive amount of playoff wins so of course there's that. Also, the unintiated might not see you trying to move the goal post on what's being debated here, but I'm looking dead at you. We were talking about whether Melo is a superstar. Not playoff wins. Bad try. Lol @ them smilies like you dropped a mind blowing gem or something.

Nah you right. He's a superstar. I think he's an entertaining player.

We were talking about different things and I made it about winning. My bad.

For the record though, no smileys needed...those other guys are/were superstars because they won, including KD. What's Melo's playoff win percentage? In ten years he's played 66 games in the postseason. KD has played 54 playoff games in 5 years. Doc and KG and KD went to the finals. If he's a "superstar" it's during the regular season and, as a fan, I don't enjoy that kind of entertainment.

 

[Trip]

Front office bullshyt aside, I highly doubt think the Knicks are bringing Tyson & Amare back, at the very least not at their current salaries.

The cap room flexibility will be there soon enough, what they actually do with it is another thing

edit: add Bargnani to that as well

Who are realistic options for 2015?

 

[K-ZOE]

Nah you right. He's a superstar. I think he's an entertaining player.

We were talking about different things and I made it about winning. My bad.

For the record though, no smileys needed...those other guys are/were superstars because they won, including KD. What's Melo's playoff win percentage? In ten years he's played 66 games in the postseason. KD has played 54 playoff games in 5 years. Doc and KG and KD went to the finals. If he's a "superstar" it's during the regular season and, as a fan, I don't enjoy that kind of entertainment.

Ok, I'll play the win game real quick...

I don't know, why don't you tell me what Melo's win % is? How many of those 54 games did KD win? KG 's win percentage in the playoffs can't be all that considering before Boston he got out of the 1st round once. Like KG, Doc is a 1 time NBA champion (Miss me with the 2 ABA chips). To my knowledge, he's been to the NBA finals twice. Kinda makes them reg season superstars by your criteria, doesn't it?

 

[mvp_status]

Who are realistic options for 2015?

You mean free-agents? The best player we would have a shot is probably LA.

But having cap-room doesn't necessarily mean blowing it on somebody the moment you have some flexibility. It also can help us down the line (trades, future offseasons, etc)

 

[Trip]

You mean free-agents? The best player we would have a shot is probably LA.

But having cap-room doesn't necessarily mean blowing it on somebody the moment you have some flexibility. It also can help us down the line (trades, future offseasons, etc)

Yeah. I gotcha.

It's a lot easier to have patience in the NFL I guess considering its only 16 games. The Knicks are due for a purge in 2015 and I dont see it happening.

 

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[K-Deini]

Nah you right. He's a superstar. I think he's an entertaining player.

We were talking about different things and I made it about winning. My bad.

For the record though, no smileys needed...those other guys are/were superstars because they won, including KD. What's Melo's playoff win percentage? In ten years he's played 66 games in the postseason. KD has played 54 playoff games in 5 years. Doc and KG and KD went to the finals. If he's a "superstar" it's during the regular season and, as a fan, I don't enjoy that kind of entertainment.

when melo gets a player like russy to team up with then i'll lay into him about lack of success. and when russy was out and the defense was focused solely on durant in the playoffs, it seemed eerily similar to melo's situation in ny.

 

[drewbreez]

when melo gets a player like russy to team up with then i'll lay into him about lack of success. and when russy was out and the defense was focused solely on durant in the playoffs, it seemed eerily similar to melo's situation in ny.

I dunno man. Melo played with Iverson when he was still a top 10 scorer (they both were that year in fact) and he played with Chauncey Billups when he was still a top 20 point guard and a 20-pt scorer. I think he's just not built for it, but he is built for entertainment though. That's why Dolan likes him. Sells tickets for sure.

 

[I.V.]

Or maybe a bunch of players with the salary he takes up. Not like it hasn't been done before.

Rondo on a 3-4 year, DeMarcus Cousins may be a free agent, Aldridge, not to mention guys like Bosh, Granger and other talented pieces who may be around next summer. It's plausible 2-3 of those types will be around and, if the Tyson Chandler situation is handled properly, we could nab 'em.

This is where we get into a situation where you need to shut the fukk up and maybe go read something.

You want to sign "a bunch of players" with "the money melo takes up" - and the players you named ARE PLAYERS ALSO GETTING MAX DEALS.

So you seem to have two main enemies, here: Logic. and Maths.

There's no way to "nab 'em" using money that would be freed up by Melo's deal leaving the books. On top of it all, Granger is coming off knee injuries, may never be the same, and is a VASTLY worse and LESS EFFICIENT player than Carmelo - who just led the league in scoring and had his most efficient year, ever. You don't get to brush all the facts away by saying "yeah yeah, that's fine and all'at" - all'at is factual evidence. Your point are the kind of nonsense that gets laughed out of bars, let a lone a place where people are ALREADY ON THE fukkING INTERNET AND CAN LOOK THINGS UP WHILE THEY RESPOND.

Cousins is getting an extension before the season starts in Sacramento, though take a step back and ask yourself if Cousins is somehow more of a safe bet to build around than even Melo.

All the other guys you mentioned are either less of a chance to be franchise guys, just as old as Melo is, or (in Aldridge and Rondo's cases) guys that may never see free agency since they'd get moved to a different team before they walk

You were nicer than I. This is the response of a man with class.

 

[Trip]

This is where we get into a situation where you need to shut the fukk up and maybe go read something.

You want to sign "a bunch of players" with "the money melo takes up" - and the players you named ARE PLAYERS ALSO GETTING MAX DEALS.

So you seem to have two main enemies, here: Logic. and Maths.

There's no way to "nab 'em" using money that would be freed up by Melo's deal leaving the books. On top of it all, Granger is coming off knee injuries, may never be the same, and is a VASTLY worse and LESS EFFICIENT player than Carmelo - who just led the league in scoring and had his most efficient year, ever. You don't get to brush all the facts away by saying "yeah yeah, that's fine and all'at" - all'at is factual evidence. Your point are the kind of nonsense that gets laughed out of bars, let a lone a place where people are ALREADY ON THE fukkING INTERNET AND CAN LOOK THINGS UP WHILE THEY RESPOND.

You were nicer than I. This is the response of a man

 

[drewbreez]

Those players won't get max levels all. They might get mini-max deals (in the case of Aldridge, Granger) or they may take less money to play in a similarly competitive situation (in the case of Bosh, coming off 2 rings). I don't know where all this "shut the fukk up" is coming from. Melo takes up a lot of salary for a player who hasn't shown he wins at the level of people who command similar dollars. And he'll be on the wrong side of 30 when he demands this deal.

He's already doing to the NYK organization what he did to Denver, which is to be expected. He gotta get his and that's his leverage. But it doesn't put me, as a fan, in the best place because he hasn't delivered Ewing-level wins. It seems like we need to re-evaluate the market and our strategies for getting to the top.

 

[Trip]

Those players won't get max levels all. They might get mini-max deals (in the case of Aldridge, Granger) or they may take less money to play in a similarly competitive situation (in the case of Bosh, coming off 2 rings). I don't know where all this "shut the fukk up" is coming from. Melo takes up a lot of salary for a player who hasn't shown he wins at the level of people who command similar dollars. And he'll be on the wrong side of 30 when he demands this deal.

He's already doing to the NYK organization what he did to Denver, which is to be expected. He gotta get his and that's his leverage. But it doesn't put me, as a fan, in the best place because he hasn't delivered Ewing-level wins. It seems like we need to re-evaluate the market and our strategies for getting to the top.

Defending Carmelo's operation at this point is absurd. People defending Dolan are delusional. Its sad, especially growing up with the 90's Knicks who had their shyt together from the front office down. The Knicks are just toxic, yet they have what no one else has...an arena in midtown Manhattan. It should be much better than this. They've driven out too many good people because of Dolan being a crackhead.

 

[The War Report]

The Knicks don't know how to draft or sign free agents.