Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread
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Just like I thought. You can't defend your opinion because it was given to you by the media.
breh what are you talking about? do i have to break down for you why lebron and KD are better players, better leaders, better defenders, better passers, better rebounders, AND they can score just as easy as melo? do you honestly think melo is as good as lebron and KD? do you watch basketball?
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Yes, I watch basketball. Do you ever take breaks from the brainwashing of the media? I don't watch much media because they are financially invested in the lies they propagate. He's better than both of them. Yes, break down why that isn't true. You said it, so back it up.
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Convincing rebuttal.
Your only point is this "media" non-argument.
There's nothing you can say that would justify your argument that Melo is better than Lebron as an all around player.
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You either trolling, or retarded. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling. Either way, all you get is
#WPOY2014
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Your only point is this "media" non-argument.
There's not a single point you can make that would justify your contention that Melo is better than Lebron as an all around player.
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You either trolling, or retarded. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling. Either way, all you get is
#WPOY2014
You clearly don't know what the term “troll” means. Quote me posting in “free dap threads” because a team lost, or making fun of people's hairlines etc. You guys place way too much stock in reps and daps, not considering the subjectivity factor, that stans will neg you or won't dap because you said something true about their idol, or you may have had an argument with them about their idol. You claim to be a Knick fan but assume I'm trolling because I said a good shooter who was the only one to show up all year on what you claim is your team is better than a pathetic one. There's plenty points I can make to back this up but I don't have to because the burden of proof is on the person who made the initial claim. If he presents an argument, I will present my rebuttal. If you'd like the share what I'm sure will be the typical arguments for why Lj is better than 'Melo, I'd be glad to present my rebuttal.
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Career stats:
Lebron
ppg 27.5
fg% .497
reb 7.2
ast 6.9
stl 1.7
to 3.3
rings 2
mvp's 4
Melo
ppg 25.3
fg% .455
reb 6.6
ast 3.1
stl 1.1
to 2.9
rings 0
mvp's 0
Better scorer?
Better mid range jumper is all you could say with any credibility.
Done entertaining this nonsense
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Career stats:
Lebron
ppg 27.5
fg% .497
reb 7.2
ast 6.9
stl 1.7
to 3.3
rings 2
mvp's 4
Melo
ppg 25.3
fg% .455
reb 6.6
ast 3.1
stl 1.1
to 2.9
rings 0
mvp's 0
Better scorer?
Better mid range jumper is all you could say with any credibility.
Done entertaining this nonsense
*Picks up mic and responds*
Lebron
ppg 27.5 - He plays PG and is the primary ball handler for his team (because he can't play off the ball), leading his team not only in usage, but touches, giving him more opportunities to score and when ever he goes to the basket, either A: the defender(s) move out of the way or B: they call a foul for an 'and 1'. this gives him an extra 6 to 16 points. Also, when he was in Cleveland and 'Melo in Denver, 'Melo out-played him and won almost every time. 'Melo does not play PG and never has. Moreover, Lj averages more fga's per game than 'Melo (since we're posting career numbers).
fg% .497 - Anyone can put up efficient scoring #'s when they can't shoot. Tyson Chandler shoots a higher percentage than Lj for the same reason. Lj needs wide-open shots, dunks, layups, and mismatches (a poor defender would also count as a mismatch). If Lj had to shoot from the perimeter with good defenders draped all over him, like 'Melo, he wouldn't score. Lj won't even shoot the ball when 'Melo is guarding him. Of his made shots this season, 67% of them come from within 8 feet. That means only one third of Lj's shots are on the perimeter. 49.7% is pretty pathetic for a dunker. Moreover, like KD, when Westbrook joined his team, Lj got more efficient playing with Wade and Bosh.
reb 7.2 - He's always within 8ft of the basket, yet, he only manages to average 0.6 more rebounds than 'Melo. This is why 7-footers like Dirk, Lopez, and Bargnani don't average many rebounds. They are always on the perimeter. Moreover, 'Melo is the better offensive rebounder (the ones that don't just come to you and the ones that count the most because they're 2nd chance pts). 'Melo has more offensive rbs than Lj and KD combined.
ast 6.9 - Lj plays PG and is the primary ball handler for his team (because he can't play off the ball) leading his team not only in usage, but touches, giving him more opportunities to have direct assists (as opposed to hockey assists); always has. Felton averages almost just as many for the same reason (6.5) and he was on the Bobcats for most of his career. 'Melo has never been the primary ball-handler/facilitator for his team. It's always been guys like Billups, Baron, Jeremy, Felton, Pablo, etc. 'Melo doesn't lead his team in touches; Felton does because he's the PG.
stl 1.7 - Like, KD, Lj is a horrid defender. When Lj gets settled in a half court defense, he is always looking for the ball and not always watching his guy. He gets beat off the dribble a lot and his lateral movements are poor.
He can't defend anyone w/ talent. 'Melo and Durant be lighting him up for 30pts (Durant), 38-40+ pts and game-winners ('Melo). That's why this past Sunday, little bitty Swish kept hitting 3's in Lj's face. In his off-ball defense, he often loses his man, and blames it on Chalmers. He's a terrible on-ball defender. He only defends in spurts and takes 2/3rds of games off, for the most part. He doesn't shut anyone down. He stops moving/guarding someone, watches his opponents shoot the ball in and then looks down at one of his teammates to wonder what they were doing. I can give Youtube links of this, if you like, because the film don't lie.
Melo is the better defender. Last season, his overall defense ranked in the 69th%tile (a full 19% above average). He was excellent in defending the post up (his position [PF] that season), as he ranked in the 92nd%tile. It's extremely tough to guard those big, strong PF's. That stat shows that 'Melo sticks to his man.
Lj is so weak and soft that he won't even take on the challenge of defending people with size, like 'Melo and West. He lets Battier do it, even though he's much younger and bigger (he got like 20-lbs on battier). Lj defends in transition at times. He'll roam around and make plays when he's out of position (or gambling) and he makes the flashy plays that everyone loves (steals, blocks), but when he has to face his opponent up, he's terrible. His steals be off bad passes. You never see him press someone and take their dribble. What you do see, is him play the passing lanes.
to 3.3 - Right, unlike 'Melo, Lj is turnover prone and a poor ball-handler.
rings 2 - 'Melo can win with Wade and Bosh too. Bron played two .500 teams (Nets & Wizards) to get to the ECF. When he got there, Daniel Gibson was the 2nd leading scorer in the series, and went on to out-play Bron in game 6, scoring 19 of their last 31 points (but 31 pts total in the game) to eliminate the Pistons and was a +19 for the game. Bron got swept by the Spurs in the next round (the Finals). When he did have a “bum team”, he couldn't even take them to the Playoffs 2 years in a row, much less the Finals. And, this in the East. Lj was horrible in the 07 Finals, '11 Finals, and last season's Finals. That's 3 of 4 Finals appearances where he was awful. 'Melo is about to miss the Playoffs for the first time in his career with a good team (that's not a typo) around him because the owner and coach has been throwing games for embarrassing Lj and his fake dynasty last season. The best evidence of this (and there is much) is when NY played Portland at MSG and Woodson called a timeout when his team was making a run to regain the lead.
mvp's 4 - The NBA needs a face of the league. Lj has more than Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, (he is better than Shaq 'cause Shaq is an even worse shooter
) and Hakeem. Further proof that the MVP award is a joke is that Nash has more than Barkley, Kobe, Garnett (who I hate but he's a great player), Iverson, Shaq, and Hakeem. Better scorer? Better mid range jumper is all you could say with any credibility. - 
Lj doesn't have a mid-range game at all for 'Melo to be better at. Lj shoots a pitiful 32.1% from 15-19ft . Not only does 'Melo have a better mid-range game but he has a better turnaround right/left shoulder, post game, and 3pt game. He's just better. Like I said, if Lj had to shoot from the perimeter with good defenders draped all over him, like 'Melo, he wouldn't score.He has very little basketball skill. Mostly athleticism and speed but not big enough like Howard or Shaq (I don't care for either of them) to keep scoring when a wall is built around the basket (which is exactly what SA was doing to him in the Finals). Plus, Paul George, Kawhi, Tayshaun Prince, Butler, (and of ALL people) old & fat Diaw, Kobe, Melo, etc can keep him in front of them.
When they're on him, he won't even shoot until the whistles start blowing to get these defenders off of him (the most recent incident I can think of is in the bulls series w/ butler).
This is why he was so bad in the '11 finals. It's absolutely pathetic how someone can be so easily taken out of a game
Dylan Murphy observed, last season, 'Melo shot 37 of 65 for 56.9% on his turnaround right shoulder fade-away. Dylan observed,
He shot 64.7% on his quick spin baseline from the post, 63.6% on his one-dribble baseline, quick spin middle, etc. You can read Dylan's article on this here.
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1. There's not an NBA coach in the league that would pick Melo over Lebron.
2. No one's reading all that shyt.
Very strong rebuttal. 
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DUDE Wait what are people really debating melo vs lebron?
is this 2004? that ship has sailed frendo.......bron is a more complete player with a higher bb iq and im a knicks homer but cmon
is this 2004? that ship has sailed frendo.......bron is a more complete player with a higher bb iq and im a knicks homer but cmon
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