Stop calling my culture "Hip-Hop"

[Juneya]

If you read some of @IllmaticDelta posts, it shows that what Kool Herc was doing was separate from what Jamaican crews in NY were doing at the time. This is according to Kool Herc.
My understanding has always been that Grand Wizard Theodore invented the scratch in NY.
It was a an exclusive NY phenomenon though. Unless you've got proof that other cities had similar scenes doing the exact same thing? Which I assume you don't, since your post says this is the only proof you got.

I read and watched them all...

If you read my post...
You would see that the Jamaican djs lacked instrumentals, but rapped full songs. Which would require live looping.

But again. You can have scratching. A New York nikka invented scratching. New York brought scratching to black culture. That doesn't include playing beat breaks. But scratching as a beat?

The concept of a selector and an mc is a island phenomenon... And then a Jamaican Dj came to New York and played beat breaks. And an emcee rapped over it.

So even tho you have no proof that herc didn't scratch first. Or that the idea came from an original thought of a New Yorker not from the islands, we can say that scratching and sounds from the turntable came from New York. The music can/does/did definitely exist without that. Lol. The rap part especially.

You cant act like the use of a turntable started in NYC but maybe making parts of the song out of scratching the record against the needle came from NYC. That does not mean they invented any of the culture we have today.

((I don't see how you can say for sure people in Miami and Jamaica didn't scratch records? But it really doesn't matter. ))

 

[Juneya]

The Jamaican Dj scene predates the New York one.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

If you read some of @IllmaticDelta posts, it shows that what Kool Herc was doing was separate from what Jamaican crews in NY were doing at the time. This is according to Kool Herc.

Yup, Herc wasn't doing anything that owed a debt to the Jamaican style. Herc got his ides from the Disco style but his style was crude

My understanding has always been that Grand Wizard Theodore invented the scratch in NY.

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Tyrone The Mixoligist did an early version of scratching but Theordore took it to another level

@ 17:10 in this video Tyrone and Kool D are talking about it



them again

 

[Juneya]

All this is cool bruh. But this doesn't predate what is going on in Jamaica. And it doesn't prove that it was an original thought from New York.

 

[Durrbrowski]

You are obviously one of them half thinking Hotep nikkas.
Half reading too
I posted proof of what I had to say.

Again another nikka talking about economics he doesn't understand.
History he half read.
I didn't bring up any of that to prove my point, I brought up that to discredit some c00n ass nikka talking about street shyt instead of black history.

How is it not self hate that you think we are different. How is that not willie lynch. So what your telling me, in this long ass weak nikka dialouge you wrote, is that they went and got special nikkas for slaves in NYC. And special nikkas for slaves in Cuba. And another special set of nigggas for slaves in Trinidad... is what your telling me. That all the slaves taken to every other place have no similarities? That makes LOGICAL SENSE to you big man? Lol...

And you got weak ass nikkas to cosign all that bullshyt you wrote.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Dumb nikka. You should read more.

Yes I put down hip hop. It's not my culture. And it's used to attack my culture. By self hating ass nikkas like you

you are the personification of ignorance. the people who were enslaved and brought to this country against their will had very little in common besides their skin color and being enslaved. they were from different tribes, countries with their own stories and own music styles etc etc. young nikkas.

 

[Durrbrowski]

if you lump all dark skinned people together you have no knowledge of self 85. I am not your brother because you are my color. thats the white mans programming. Hip Hop has roots from Africa but began in the Bronx. thats a fact. fukk your opinion. Blues etc..thats the south.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

All this is cool bruh. But this doesn't predate what is going on in Jamaica. And it doesn't prove that it was an original thought from New York.

Jamaica never had anything like what was going on with Disco scene and then later HipHop

 

[Juneya]

there is a club chaos in lemeirt park that threw similar parties in the 1970s

 

[Juneya]

if you lump all dark skinned people together you have no knowledge of self 85. I am not your brother because you are my color. thats the white mans programming. Hip Hop has roots from Africa but began in the Bronx. thats a fact. fukk your opinion. Blues etc..thats the south.

the original message was rude. I take it back...

It's all one music. Only difference between the blues and rap music is technology.

 

[Juneya]

Jamaica never had anything like what was going on with Disco scene and then later HipHop

Jamaica did.
Jamaicans were the first to play the turntables in the park with a selector and Dj.

 

[Juneya]

Why are you all so anti being a group.

The fact that New York had all those black cultures in one place at one time is why the United States got the concept to create whatever "hip hop" is... Lol

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I read and watched them all...

If you read my post...
You would see that the Jamaican djs lacked instrumentals, but rapped full songs. Which would require live looping.

They did have instrumentals. That's partially how early Dub started.

Ruddy played a key role in the initial development of dub, as he was the first to make a public performance of what would become known as ìversionî - the instrumental mix of a song without the vocals. In the early days of Jamaican recording, the music was recorded on two tracks. In general, the vocals were recorded on one track with the rest of the band being recorded on the other. In the studio, the two tracks would then be mixed to create the full sound. Ruddy would routinely come into the Treasure Isle Studio and cut new tracks with engineer Byron Smith for play on his sound system. One time however, Ruddy decided to have a dub cut with just the rhythm track to play at a dance. Record producer Bunny Lee recounts the story:


ìYeah . . . it was really VERSION those days - it wasnít dub yet, becaí it was jusí the riddim. One day a incident: Ruddyís was cutting a dub, aní when it start, Smithy look like ëim start bring on the voice and Ruddyís say: no, mek it run and ëim take the whole backing track off it. ëIm say, alright, run it again, and put in the voice. ëIm didnít do no more like that yet. ëIm carry it, go Spanish Town and ëim play it an gií ëim deejay - ëim have a deejay name Wax I tink - and when Wax put it on, ëim put on the singing then say ëim gonna play part two. And ëim put on - everybody know the rhythm now, and everybody a listen to the voice, an ëdem doní hear no voice and then everybody start sing along. So they say BRANí NEW! and then dem play it about twenty times.î (Barrow 1994)

The popularity of the instrumental ìversionî in the dancehall quickly inspired Duke Reid and other producers to begin releasing them commercially, and a new tradition was born. By 1970 the practice of issuing 45î singles with the vocal mix on the A-side and the ìversionî on the B-side had become common (Barrow and Dalton 1997 p. 202). Back in the dancehalls, ìversionî opened up new opportunities for sound system operators and their deejays. Without vocals in the mix, the deejays could add their own lyrics, chants, or other words over the music.
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Dub Revolution

The concept of a selector and an mc is a island phenomenon...

The concept had already originated in the USA on R&B radio and the early R&B songs that layed the foundation for the jamaican dub concept

Example of the the A-side with the B-side instru which was standard practice in lots of early Soul music

A-side



B-side



a vocal version



This is a clear example of the Dub "versions" concept, The full story..

So even tho you have no proof that herc didn't scratch first. Or that the idea came from an original thought of a New Yorker not from the islands,

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There is plenty of proof. Everyone from back then says herc had no djing skills lol. He didn't even know how to scratch, blend, mix etc...

and the the defining sound of HipHop djing, the Scratch was originated (taken to new levels) by Grand Wizard Theodore. Listen to how he describes Herc and Baambatta's, Djing styles @ 3:00 mins

we can say that scratching and sounds from the turntable came from New York.

it did

The music can/does/did definitely exist without that. Lol. The rap part especially.

true

You cant act like the use of a turntable started in NYC but maybe making parts of the song out of scratching the record against the needle came from NYC. That does not mean they invented any of the culture we have today.

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modern turntablism started in NYC

((I don't see how you can say for sure people in Miami and Jamaica didn't scratch records? But it really doesn't matter. ))

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because it never happened

 

[Juneya]

you are the personification of ignorance. the people who were enslaved and brought to this country against their will had very little in common besides their skin color and being enslaved. they were from different tribes, countries with their own stories and own music styles etc etc. young nikkas.

You don't know what your talking about... lol

 

[Juneya]

They did have instrumentals. That's partially how early Dub started.

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Dub Revolution

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The concept had already originated in the USA on R&B radio and the early R&B songs that layed the foundation for the jamaican dub concept

Example of the the A-side with the B-side instru which was standard practice in lots of early Soul music

A-side



B-side



a vocal version



This is a clear example of the Dub "versions" concept, The full story..

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There is plenty of proof. Everyone from back then says herc had no djing skills lol. He didn't even know how to scratch, blend, mix etc...

and the the defining sound of HipHop djing, the Scratch was originated (taken to new levels) by Grand Wizard Theodore. Listen to how he describes Herc and Baambatta's, Djing styles @ 3:00 mins

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it did

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true

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modern turntablism started in NYC

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because it never happened

The fact that dub was already well established by 1970. And herc out his mouth said 1973. Shows that the culture of dancehall parties with a selector and emcee predates New York City

 

[Juneya]

you are the personification of ignorance. the people who were enslaved and brought to this country against their will had very little in common besides their skin color and being enslaved. they were from different tribes, countries with their own stories and own music styles etc etc. young nikkas.

The Spanish and French actually kept record from what region their slaves came from. The music styles in Africa are affected mostly by environment. More similar than your giving them credit I think. Music was a form of communication between Africans of different languages but near proximity.

I don't think you understand how culture works. People from New Orleans have their own music style, stories, gangs etc. but yet the people of New Orleans are still considered part of your imiginary hip hop culture right?