Stop calling my culture "Hip-Hop"

[Juneya]

Like saying... It's hip hop to sag your pants...
No nikka, it's new Jim Crow anti drug law sentencing to sagtyour pants. Hand me down clothes and/or prison culture.

Either way... It was black...not hip hop.
Hip hop isn't the name of black culture.
Hip hop can be what they made in the Bronx. But it ain't got nothing to do with rapping.

 

[Newportbox]

nikkas that categorize our culture that we participate in today, as hip hop and starting in the Bronx

Hip Hop is a component of a larger black culture. No one is suggesting that that hip hop is the sole culture of black people.

 

[Juneya]

Hip Hop is a component of a larger black culture. No one is suggesting that that hip hop is the sole culture of black people.

It's not the name of the sub culture we are a part of...
Hip hop is not rapping on beats. Or sagging pants. Or appropriating language. Or dancing. Or painting.

Because blacks everywhere do that. Since they got wherever they were taken.
So what part of our culture is hip hop exactly?

 

[Juneya]

What did NY invent exactly. Using a turntable to create beats... No. Lol.
Rapping while the "selector" spins records.... No...
Rhyming to tell stories and or history and news... No...
Group dancing... Competitive dancing.... No...
Using music to make political statements... No...

 

[Bed$tuy]

yo man, what's wrong with you? Hip Hop started in Africa, OK. All music that blacks created has African roots. chill out man

 

[intruder]

black culture existed and flourished in a similar manner that it does today, minus the money, before white people called it hip hop and started raping them dumb ass New York nikkas for every part of their culture...

Hip hop is the name white people gave black culture in New York as they started to commercialize it.

Hip hop is the name of the subgroup of blacks in NYC that made no money. And sold their soul.


HIP HOP can suck my dikk. nikkas rapped, appropriated language, and appropriated clothing way before New York in the 80s.... All over the new world...

So stop calling all black music hip hop... Then pretend like it's one New York gift to black people. It's not.. The New York gift was getting raped by the white man all over again...

Everybody raps. Black culture is strongest in the south

I agree for the most part but not entirely.

Let me first say I'm black but am not american so in a way im a bit of an outsider looking in. But as i said in that other thread about black culture in America, black Americans need to draw the line to CLEARLY distinguish where black-american culture ends and where thE sick street culture begins. Im talking about that sick street culture that puts "bad guys" on a pedestal. That street culture that celebrates robbers and robberies and thugs in your music and culture.

Too many confused kids out there feel like you need to have some "thug in you" to be black and view images like this

that perpetrate the nonsense.
Dont get me wrong i love Nas and most hardcore hiphop (DMX, Onyx, Mobb Deep...) too but it is what is it and is not to be confused with BLACK CULTURE.

But notice i didnt say hiphop because i believe street culture ≠ hiphop.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Who's suggesting black culture was invented in the 70's?

many people actually think this

I agree for the most part but not entirely.

Let me first say I'm black but am not american so in a way im a bit of an outsider looking in. But as i said in that other thread about black culture in America, black Americans need to draw the line to CLEARLY distinguish where black-american culture ends and where thE sick street culture begins. Im talking about that sick street culture that puts "bad guys" on a pedestal. That street culture that celebrates robbers and robberies and thugs in your music and culture.

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Any authentic Afram with knowledge of their history would will be able to distinguish between their roots culture (the core)/commercial culture/street based elements. See my post here

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/12822024/

 

[3rdWorld]

Nothing is more annoying than know-it-all cacs trying to tell us about ourselves like we're an anthropology study or something..

And if you pay attention to them and give them audience they'll eventually pull the rug from under your feet. Black folks don't need Cacs, Latinos Asians etc trying to tell black folks about black culture as if we stupid or something. I dont know a single black person who makes it a point to try school other races on their own shyt unless it affects us. Otherwise we don't care..

 

[mobbinfms]

Using a turntable to create beats... No. Lol.

Receipts?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What did NY invent exactly. Using a turntable to create beats... No. Lol.
Rapping while the "selector" spins records.... No...
Rhyming to tell stories and or history and news... No...
Group dancing... Competitive dancing.... No...
Using music to make political statements... No...

"Hip-hop didn't invent anything. Hip-hop reinvented everything." -- Grandmaster Caz

 

[Juneya]

Nothing is more annoying than know-it-all cacs trying to tell us about ourselves like we're an anthropology study or something..

And if you pay attention to them and give them audience they'll eventually pull the rug from under your feet. Black folks don't need Cacs, Latinos Asians etc trying to tell black folks about black culture as if we stupid or something. I dont know a single black person who makes it a point to try school other races on their own shyt unless it affects us. Otherwise we don't care..

There is something more annoying...

Know nothing blacks arguing history they never took the time to learn.

 

[Juneya]

Receipts?

Kool herc being Jamaican... And the parties being of Jamaican influence... Honestly that's the only proof I got. I can't say for sure who scratched first. But it's not a New York exlcusive phenomenon

 

[mobbinfms]

Kool herc being Jamaican... And the parties being of Jamaican influence... Honestly that's the only proof I got. I can't say for sure who scratched first. But it's not a New York exlcusive phenomenon

If you read some of @IllmaticDelta posts, it shows that what Kool Herc was doing was separate from what Jamaican crews in NY were doing at the time. This is according to Kool Herc.
My understanding has always been that Grand Wizard Theodore invented the scratch in NY.
It was a an exclusive NY phenomenon though. Unless you've got proof that other cities had similar scenes doing the exact same thing? Which I assume you don't, since your post says this is the only proof you got.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It doesn't. That's a myth that need's to be deaded. 1970's HipHop culture grew out of Afram Funk/Disco/Soul scene




Another early pioneer who has been forgotten that predated Herc in the Bronx scene.

Dj Disco King Mario

He was actually from Bronx scene and one of the founder/leaders of the Black Spades.

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[Wacky D]

not cosigning his rambles but i agree with his overall point.

i hate when all modern black music gets filed under hip-hop. and on the flipside, i hate when people purposely file their music or product under hip-hop for a quick buck.

and yea black culture existed before hip-hop. lol.

again, im not agreeing with everything dude is saying, but i get the overall.