I am amazed how nikkas can just avoid film and just make stupid ass opinions with confidence because of STATS. Stats, not tape, STATS.
Stockton/Malone played 18 seasons together and were eliminated in the 1st round 9 times
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I don’t know why this “he wouldn’t be shyt in this era” point you keep bringing up matters so much to you, he didn’t play in this era. Lots of players legacies would look different if you dropped them in a different era, that’s irrelevant to what they were in the era they actually played.
Comparing John Collins to Malone is dumb.
Another point I don’t see people getting is players and teams can improve. Stockton, hornacek, Russell, jazz team later on had shooters, better depth.
How about talking about some of the teams the jazz beat? 97 hakeem, Clyde and Barkley. And Hakeem played great, he wasn’t washed in that playoff series. Duncan and robinson in 98. Shaq in 97& swept him in 98.
One problem utah had is Malone not playing in 97 finals as good as he did in 98.
Another point I don’t see people getting is players and teams can improve. Stockton, hornacek, Russell, jazz team later on had shooters, better depth.
How about talking about some of the teams the jazz beat? 97 hakeem, Clyde and Barkley. And Hakeem played great, he wasn’t washed in that playoff series. Duncan and robinson in 98. Shaq in 97& swept him in 98.
One problem utah had is Malone not playing in 97 finals as good as he did in 98.
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I thought their 80s early 90s teams were them at their best and had more depth.
That Rockets team was playoff lightening in a bottle in 96' when Clyde joined. They were mid in the regular season and then again for a full season together in 97
Do you always answer questions with another question
NYC Rebel
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I read, unlike you who obviously didn't with this thread.
Advanced stats don’t seem to agree. Utah teams usually had 2-3 players that rated well only. They got to four in playoffs, only from 96-98 when Byron Russell stepped up.
Not that advanced stats are everything but It also helps explain things. Malone has had his playoff struggles for sure. But utah had a shytty bench and rotation too. Once Byron stepped up as good 4th player, they started doing better.
Questioning my question on a forum where people ask questions doesn’t mean you read it means you are annoying … get a massage or something relax … saying did you read the thread like you’re the thread monitor lol… corny… I’ll never ask another question before I read threads again thank you for teaching me this much important lesson
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I already did, nikka.
I wrote a lengthy ass post addressing all those exits
Look, they pushed Magic's Lakers, arguably the best dynasty ever at their peak to 7 games in '88.
If they could do that, there's lots of champions they could've beat because the '80s Lakers are sweeping 90% of the teams in NBA history
In '89, it's not like they didn't show up against Golden State.
Stockton put up 30 & 14 in the 1st game & 34 & 16 the 3rd game
Malone puts up 37 & 22 in game 2.
It's just that Chris Mullen went out of his mind in that series. He's in the Hall of Fame & was on the Dream Team for a reason.
Mitch Richmond's in the Hall of Fame too.
In '90, they lost to a Phoenix team that beat Magic's Lakers in 5 games, so Phoenix couldn't be that bad
In '91, they get revenge on that Phoenix team in the first round, but lost to a Portland team that was in between Finals runs
In '92 they lost to Portland, who gave Jordan's Bulls hell in the Finals, not a scrub team
In '93, they lost to a Sonics team that was just better. That Kemp/Payton team would go on to be a 64 win team a few years later & this team included a lot of really good players from that era like Ricky Pierce, Derrick McKey, & Sam Perkins
In '94, they lost to a top 10 player ever at his absolute peak in Hakeem Olajuwon & that Houston team beat a great Knicks team
In '95, they again lost to a better team in a peak Hakeem Olajuwon with Clyde Drexler, who'd go on to sweep Shaq & Penny in the Finals
In '96, they pushed a 64 win Sonics team to 7 games, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in that.
So, basically, like I said, the NBA was competitive as hell in their era and yeah, maybe they could've won one or two of those series, but if you look at who they lost to when they lost to them, it makes sense.
NYC Rebel
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What is it about NBA fans and their lust for bringing up great players somehow thinking it means those facing them faced a great team?I already did, nikka.
I wrote a lengthy ass post addressing all those exits
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The NBA is a stars league more than any other league.
If you have stars, you can win any game you're in
It's not football or baseball, 1 or 2 guys make a real difference in basketball
If they were born 20 years later they still don’t win anything
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I didn’t read this thread (and I won’t) - but of the three …scenarios in the OP,
the most correct is A.
Those Jazz teams were from 4-13 probably theee worst teams to ever have the great records they had
due to Malone and Stockton being there. That’s the answer.
the most correct is A.
Those Jazz teams were from 4-13 probably theee worst teams to ever have the great records they had
due to Malone and Stockton being there. That’s the answer.
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