Stephen Espinoza: 3 months ago, we offered Arum $40 million with 35% PPV and they havent accepted

[Black_Jesus]

Why havent you responded to anything else in what i said?

Like I said, use logic jackass
How come Canelo didnt demand $50million for the Angulo fight? I wanna hear this one

I dont know how im supposed to respond to that dumbass question.. especially since it has nothing to do with the thread

 

[Black_Jesus]

Why are we still arguing this?

Floyd is 5-0 in his last 5 fights with wins over Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo, and Maidana 2x....selling a total of 6.35 million in PPV buys over those fights.

Manny, however is 3-2 in his last 5 fights beating Juan Manuel Marquez, losing to Timothy Bradley, getting KOd by Juan Manuel Marquez in the rematch, beating Brandon Rios, and then beating Timothy Bradley in the rematch...selling a total of 4.57 million in PPV buys over those fights.

Pacquiao recent PPV numbers ain't enough to be asking for a 50/50 or 55/45 split. At BEST, 42% off these numbers...but it's only gonna look worse after the Pacquiao vs Algieri numbers come in and lower Pacquiao's "last 5 fights" numbers, and a 35% split is perfectly reasonable

Why are you going back 5 matches?? CURRENTLY they're around the same draw..

I see you did your own math and came up with 42% So what are we even arguing about??

 

[merklman]

I dont know how im supposed to respond to that dumbass question.. especially since it has nothing to do with the thread

Im using your retarded logic

Id neg myself if i could due to my inability to translate it into phillipino for your ease

 

[merklman]

Why are you going back 5 matches?? CURRENTLY they're around the same draw..

I see you did your own math and came up with 42% So what are we even arguing about??

Currently they're not though, but carry on

We'll see how well his PPV numbers are following the Algieri fight go, bearing in mind that Algieri should be a much bigger draw than Bradley and Maidana combined (dont even ask me how )

 

[Black_Jesus]

Im using your retarded logic

Id neg myself if i could due to my inability to translate it into phillipino for your ease

So then use my logic and answer your own dumbass question

 

[merklman]

So then use my logic and answer your own dumbass question

because your logic is flawed, and you sound hurt/angry now

Take a time out champ

 

[Black_Jesus]

Currently they're not though, but carry on

But they are... ppv wise only a couple hundred thousand difference. 35% means Floyds ppv doubles Pacquiao. In both their last fights this wa far from the case

because your logic is flawed, and you sound hurt/angry now

Take a time out champ

hurt?? ... still waiting on you to answer the question

 

[merklman]

But they are... ppv wise only a couple hundred thousand difference. 35% means Floyds ppv doubles Pacquiao. In both their last fights this wa far from the case


hurt?? ... still waiting on you to answer the question

In what world would they calculate this on their last single fights respectively? You are not using logic, whats more is that you completely ignore every other valid point made and refer back to the last fights as everything else is troublesome for your weak argument

Revenue wise the Maidana fights grossed far more than the Bradley fights, You've dodged majority of my questions in this thread now you're telling me? your logic is almost non-sensical - thats my answer.
However, i guess this is how Algieri was chosen by Pac . . .Was hot in his last fight (previously unknown )

As shown by Arums words in Sept, HBO/Showtime/Arum had spoken, outcome seemingly that Pac was shook

 

[Black_Jesus]

In what world would they calculate this on their last single fights respectively?

Earth... This year Floyds highest ppv was around 900-950k. Pacuiao's was 750-800k why would Pac only accept a 35% upside

Revenue wise the Maidana fights grossed far more than the Bradley fights,

Guess that means Maidana is the bigger draw after all huh bytch?

However, i guess this is how Algieri was chosen by Pac . . .Was hot in his last fight (previously unknown )

he was chosen after JMM turned us down for a fight.. Maidana turned us down for a fight and Algieri defeated Provodnikov for the WBO jr welterweight championship

 

[Jello Biafra]

The same bullshyt happens before every Floyd and Manny PPV.
Both sides start talking up the potential fight between the two guys as part of the promotion of their PPV.
Why people continue to get suckered into this tired debate is more of a mystery to me than whether or not this deal Espinoza mentioned is real.

 

[Roid Jones]

The same bullshyt happens before every Floyd and Manny PPV.
Both sides start talking up the potential fight between the two guys as part of the promotion of their PPV.
Why people continue to get suckered into this tired debate is more of a mystery to me than whether or not this deal Espinoza mentioned is real.

Dudes can't get enough of beating that horse

 

[merklman]

Earth... This year Floyds highest ppv was around 900-950k. Pacuiao's was 750-800k why would Pac only accept a 35% upside

Guess that means Maidana is the bigger draw after all huh bytch?

he was chosen after JMM turned us down for a fight.. Maidana turned us down for a fight and Algieri defeated Provodnikov for the WBO jr welterweight championship

So both Floyds were 900 average and pacs were 600 average, in other words 66% of the combined PPV's were floyds and 34% Pac's. Now that pretty much wraps up the LOGIC behind the offer
Go ahead and link me where Maidana turned down a fight with Pac All i can find is articles with maidana relishing a fight with pac

No, bytch - it shows that Floyds draw is far greater than pacs (if you understand that conclusion then )
I think the only way Pac gets over 35% is if he gets a smaller purse OR if his fight vs Algieri does a million buys, otherwise it doesnt make sense

 

[Newzz]

Why are you going back 5 matches?? CURRENTLY they're around the same draw..

I see you did your own math and came up with 42% So what are we even arguing about??

Floyd Mayweather's last 3 bouts against Canelo Alvarez, Marcos Maidana 1, Marcos Maidana 2: Floyd is 3-0 and did 3.98 million in PPV buys

Manny Pacquiao's last 3 bouts against Juan Manuel Marquez, Brandon Rios, and Timothy Bradley 2: Manny is 2-1 and did 2.43 million in PPV buys.


Looking at their last 3 fights, Pacquiao is only deserving of a 38% split at MAX and it's only gonna get worse after the numbers from Saturday come in

 

[TheNig]

The same bullshyt happens before every Floyd and Manny PPV.
Both sides start talking up the potential fight between the two guys as part of the promotion of their PPV.
Why people continue to get suckered into this tired debate is more of a mystery to me than whether or not this deal Espinoza mentioned is real.

And I don't think it's real. It's an attempt to save face. The Maidana fights didn't do the numbers they were thought to do and he caught some serious Heat from the community about that Garcia fight. Now CBS looking at him like about giving Floyd that crazy ass deal.


So the next best thing to do is to blame the other side for the super fight not happening. How is that any different than what Arum has been doing for the past 5 years? And we call him full of shyt for it. Why can't we do the same to Haymon and Espinoza?

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

So, since Espinoza is now the beacon of truth, what does he say about the Maidana numbers? Those ever get released?