Stephen A. Smith goes IN on Colin Keapernick for not voiting

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that's the thing: it doesnt have to be one or the other...it's not a this or that situation...voting and doing for self, go hand and hand when it comes to bettering the community....yes, get out there, put boots on the ground, and help better it yourself...but also, go vote people into positions (not just the president) and on policies that will help make it better...

Come on breh. The same establishment that burned/bombed black wallstreet to the ground and did guinea pig experiments on the Tuskogee airmen is going to let "politicians" waltz right into their playground and do the ultimate good for blacks? After 400 years of showing otherwise, NOW they're going to let it happen because they ALLOWED blacks to vote? I dont buy it. And history supports why I dont buy it. Have we seen that anything voting works for blacks?

ex: you talk about schools....unless you plan on funding the schools with materials, facilities, teachers, etc. that the kids need by yourself, you need to vote to put people in office that see it the same way you do...

The thing is, if blacks are going to get together to vote for issues or people they think can help with their issues, why not just get together and do for self ?
 

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Kaepernick: “I think it would hypocritical for me to vote. I said from the beginning I was against oppression, I was against the system of oppression. I’m not going to show support for that system. To me, the oppressor isn’t going to let you vote your way out of your oppression.”


Sounds like solid reasoning to me:manny:
 

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Refusing to be a part of the process of how things get done? So you're saying blacks HAVE to vote to better their communities and cant take the steps that people such as Rosewood/Black Walstreet did by taking it ON THEMSELVES to better their situations?

I'm not sure if you've actually read my posts in this thread. But I've made it clear that VOTING ALONE WILL NOT FIX ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. It is a tool for advancement & betterment of those who have been disenfranchised. It is a tool that I encourage people to exercise. Why can't you protest and vote to support people & issues that matter in your community?

And this aint a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" position. Im just making the point that things dont get done by begging your oppressors to help you. How may black slaves you think was begging massa to stop splitting up his families and whipping him, removing his true names for names of Bill and Johnson? You'd think slavery, the tuskogee experiments, destruction of thriving black communities like Blackwallstreet which were SELF sufficient, the splintering of social movements such as the Civil rights movement and black panther party, the dismissal of police killing of innocent blacks on CAMERA such as Garner and Tamir Rice etc.. would CLEARLY establish to blacks that this place they are in does not in any way shape or form fukk with them. But no. People still think if they go to the table and ask nicely, the system will love them and care for their progress. You're fooling yourself breh... The most they'll give you is CRUMBS

at the bold, no one is saying to ask your oppressor to help you or to be nice about demanding what's owed to you. Serious question: Do you understand how voting works?

I posted an article from Brother Malcolm who disagreed with your entire premise on voting. Your thoughts on that?

"Communities"? Sure. Black communities? Absolutely not. But hey, maybe you can point out some instances where blacks voted and things got better for them. I dont even know what issues are worth blacks coming together to vote for that they couldnt do on their own. Maybe roads and stuff like that, but schooling? Nah. Blacks shouldnt be sending their kids to an establishment that has REPEATEDLY shown itself to despise blacks, to learn and grow lol. Kinda ridiculous if you sit down and think about it.

Nah brother I'm going to encourage you to read up on that. The only way this conversation works is for both sides to have some level of understanding of the other. You've proven in this conversation to be woefully ignorant of the voting process and cynical in all of its results. How long have voting rights for black people even been protected in this country? 50 years? You got people who marched & protested and got thrown in jail, beaten & in some instances died just for the right to vote...you think any of that was black people asking gently & nicely for their rights? GTFOH breh

Like I said we're the only race of people that will willingly disenfranchise ourselves and then continue to sit around and complain why things don't get better. I'm not with that bullshyt

I'm willing to bet the majority of those critics also responded to him taking a knee as being a disrespectful piece of shyt. That he "should just shut up, stay out of politics and be happy that he make bazillions of dollars playing football."

So basically, who cares what they have to say? He can't win with those people no matter his stance.

Nonvoters simply shouldn't COMPLAIN. He said neither would have addressed issues that affect him the most. I respect that answer.

I disagree. You can support Kaep's message of protest but disagree with him not voting. So don't try to lazily lump all of his critics into one bucket.

As for the bolded, there were more things to vote on than the President? Did you know that? Did Kaep? IDK but him being that ignorant of the process is what's so disappointing
 

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It is weak as fukk for Kaepernick to not vote. I get that he didn't like either one of the two but dude didn't even vote in local elections? :francis:

I respect everything he did with the anthem but sitting out the vote completely doesn't help things.
I didnt vote either for my first time after hearing this
 

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that's the thing: it doesnt have to be one or the other...it's not a this or that situation...voting and doing for self, go hand and hand when it comes to bettering the community....yes, get out there, put boots on the ground, and help better it yourself...but also, go vote people into positions (not just the president) and on policies that will help make it better...

The same establishment that burned/bombed black wallstreet to the ground and did guinea pig experiments on the Tuskogee airmen is going to let "politicians" waltz right into their playground and do good for blacks? I dont buy it. And I think history supports why I dont buy it.

ex: you talk about schools....unless you plan on funding the schools with materials, facilities, teachers, etc. that the kids need by yourself, you need to vote to put people in office that see it the same way you do...

The thing is, if blacks are going to get together to vote for issues or people they think can help with their issues, why not just get together and do for self? I dont think placing a child's care in the hands of a system that has been shown to HATE blacks is in our best interest. Do you?
 

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Trump just won because half the people who voted for Obama didn't bother to show up.

Yet voting doesn't matter to some of these dudes.

Now we got an internet troll as our president :mindblown:

Trump won cause america is racist. The other "half" of eligible voters who sat home are just as racist as the half that did vote. Had you forced them to the polls they would have voted Trump too. What part of "this country is racist" don't you understand?

The only group that supported Hilary/ dems almost completely and blindly were black folks. No other demographic came close percentage wise. Now that the election is over instead of crying, complaining and pointless marches and protest folks like you are gonna be forced to do what Kaep is already doing. And that's taking action for yourself and not pretending Hilary or Obama or some clown politician is actually gonna change your life if you keep them in office long enough. Lotta folks getting exposed. They had no plan. Their only plan was to vote dem and hope they keep getting crumbs and scraps from the table. I have already been doing what I need to do. I'm prepared to survive under all scenarios. Kaep is doing what he needs to do. He decided he is using is money to empower kids regardless of who is in office.
 

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I'm not sure if you've actually read my posts in this thread. But I've made it clear that VOTING ALONE WILL NOT FIX ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. It is a tool for advancement & betterment of those who have been disenfranchised. It is a tool that I encourage people to exercise. Why can't you protest and vote to support people & issues that matter in your community?

Does anyone have an example of us voting and we getting something out of it? I dont say people CANT vote, I just dont think it helps anything. Maybe pointing to an example would help though. But later in your post I see you telling me to do it myself. Why not enlighten someone who is in front of fyou asking for it?


at the bold, no one is saying to ask your oppressor to help you or to be nice about demanding what's owed to you. Serious question: Do you understand how voting works?

I posted an article from Brother Malcolm who disagreed with your entire premise on voting. Your thoughts on that?

I understand how voting works. I just dont think it works for blacks. Personally, I think Malcolm was great. But that doesnt mean I agree with everything he said. Doesnt take away from the respectable way (for the most part) he carried himself while he was alive.


Nah brother I'm going to encourage you to read up on that. The only way this conversation works is for both sides to have some level of understanding of the other. You've proven in this conversation to be woefully ignorant of the voting process and cynical in all of its results. How long have voting rights for black people even been protected in this country? 50 years? You got people who marched & protested and got thrown in jail, beaten & in some instances died just for the right to vote...you think any of that was black people asking gently & nicely for their rights? GTFOH breh

Like I said we're the only race of people that will willingly disenfranchise ourselves and then continue to sit around and complain why things don't get better. I'm not with that bullshyt

They were wrong bruh. Not taking away from the sacrifices they made. but they were wrong. We can look around and see how voting hasnt helped us. How integration hasnt helped us. So what are you saying? And then when I ask YOU to enlighten me, like an elitist would, you say "go do it for yourself". Thats not how a conversation works breh. Im openly admitting that I cannot see ONE instance where voting has helped blacks. Why not enlighten me if you know of instances? Im calling things as I've seen it. But maybe I just havent SEEN how voting has helped blacks. This is where you could step in if you werent on some type of high horse...
 

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Kaepernick: “I think it would hypocritical for me to vote. I said from the beginning I was against oppression, I was against the system of oppression. I’m not going to show support for that system. To me, the oppressor isn’t going to let you vote your way out of your oppression.”


Sounds like solid reasoning to me:manny:
that would be acceptable if there weren't props on the CA ballot that actually did/do affect oppression and unfair targeting of minorities...reduced sentencing and faster parole for non-violent offenders, expediting the death penalty appeal process, abolishing the death penalty...maybe he's not registered to vote in CA so there might not have been things on the ballot elsewhere (where he's registered) that he felt were noteworthy, but here at least, those were very important IMO to helping alleviate systemic oppression.
 

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Trump won cause america is racist. The other "half" of eligible voters who sat home are just as racist as the half that did vote. Had you forced them to the polls they would have voted Trump too. What part of "this country is racist" don't you understand?

The only group that supported Hilary/ dems almost completely and blindly were black folks. No other demographic came close percentage wise. Now that the election is over instead of crying, complaining and pointless marches and protest folks like you are gonna be forced to do what Kaep is already doing. And that's taking action for yourself and not pretending Hilary or Obama or some clown politician is actually gonna change your life if you keep them in office long enough. Lotta folks getting exposed. They had no plan. Their only plan was to vote dem and hope they keep getting crumbs and scraps from the table. I have already been doing what I need to do. I'm prepared to survive under all scenarios. Kaep is doing what he needs to do. He decided he is using is money to empower kids regardless of who is in office.


Black folks didn't show up smh.

Trump got the same amount of vote Romney, McCain, Bush, all those presidential candidates got.

Meanwhile people who voted for a black dude and elected him, decided they couldn't vote for a female. Yeah racism is out there, but the reason why Trump won is because dumbfukks didn't show up to vote who DID show up to vote for a black dude.
 
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Black folks didn't show up smh.

Trump got the same amount of vote Romney, McCain, Bush, all those presidential candidates got.

Meanwhile 50% of the people who voted for a black dude and elected him, decided they couldn't vote for a female. Yeah racism is out there, but the reason why Trump won is because dumbfukks didn't show up to vote who DID show up to vote for a black dude.
50% of the vote for obama did not not show up, in 08 (high for election turnout) obama got 69M votes, hilary got 61M...how does that equate to a 50% falloff? trump won because working class whites were ignored by the dems and swayed to the other side and/or their racial senses were tingling. trump won because he broke into a segment of what should have been democratic votes.
 

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50% of the vote for obama did not not show up, in 08 (high for election turnout) obama got 69M votes, hilary got 61M...how does that equate to a 50% falloff? trump won because working class whites were ignored by the dems and swayed to the other side and/or their racial senses were tingling. trump won because he broke into a segment of what should have been democratic votes.

50% was an exaggeration i corrected:lolbron:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/

If you look at the turnout, 63% of voters voted in 2008 compared to only 55% this year. Obama got a bigger percentage of that. Meanwhile Hillary lost 9% of the votes Obama got. Those 9% protested or just didn't care. Well surprise, now we got a bigot running the country. Well fukking done.:mjgrin:
 
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