Steph Curry right now is better than Kobe ever was

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Based off this logic, where do you rank Magic, all-time?

Like I told Sccit-- I don't particularly value top 10 lists, so I'm the wrong dude to ask. You shouldn't place stock in my top 10 list because it's in constant flux.

I would rank him above Curry although I recognize the value Curry provides. I don't think Curry is a top 10 NBA player, and Magic is.
 

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Like I told Sccit-- I don't particularly value top 10 lists, so I'm the wrong dude to ask. You shouldn't place stock in my top 10 list because it's in constant flux.

I would rank him above Curry although I recognize the value Curry provides. I don't think Curry is a top 10 NBA player, and Magic is.
Over Magic?????

Nah B… Hell nah!!
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin One thing I need y'all to understand is I am a die hard *basketball* fan and I have no agenda against any players outside of Harden and Booker, two nikkas I actually hate and would gladly catch their fades if the opportunity presented itself.

So, I'm not the dude that's going to hate on Curry for no reason, nor any other player, and they are ALL on the chopping block when it comes to criticism.

I'm a Bron fan, but that nikka get on my nerves sometimes too. I just value basketball more than a single player

Over Magic?????

Nah B… Hell nah!!

Yeah, Magic > Curry. It's not particularly close in my opinion.
 

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You think Wiggins getting all the open/easy scoring opportunities in the world (alongside Steph) just magically manifested itself out of thin air? You think every player who plays alongside Steph ends up having a significant increase in scoring efficiency just magically manifests itself out of thin air?

:usure:

Wiggins was creating a lot of his offense himself.

Anyway, of course the presence of a superstar like Curry will make things easier for teammates. What I don't understand is why people are acting like Curry's impact is different from that of other superstars, past and present. It is completely ridiculous for them to coin a new term like "gravity" as if Curry's impact is unprecedented.
 
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Like I told Sccit-- I don't particularly value top 10 lists, so I'm the wrong dude to ask. You shouldn't place stock in my top 10 list because it's in constant flux.

I would rank him above Curry although I recognize the value Curry provides. I don't think Curry is a top 10 NBA player, and Magic is.
Well, I guess my point is, since you made a clear distinction that Kobe is ranked considerably higher than Steph because you believe he impacted the defensive end, I wondered where you hold Magic given his impact on defense doesn't give him any currency in the all-time debate.
Yeah, Magic > Curry. It's not particularly close in my opinion.
And why is it not particularly close?
 
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Wiggins was creating a lot of his offense himself.

Anyway, of course the presence of a superstar like Curry will make things easier for teammates. What I don't understand is why people are acting like Curry's impact is different from that of other superstars, past and present. It is completely ridiculous for them to coin a new term like "gravity" as if Curry's impact is unprecedented.
Because no player in NBA history is defended like he is. It's pretty obvious, isn't it?

Teams running 2-3 defenders at him wherever he is in the halfcourt (with and without the ball) opens up the floor for the rest of his teammates. The Warriors have basically been playing 5v4 for all the last 7-8 seasons because of how teams defend Steph - you can't say that about any other superstar in NBA history, especially not in the context of how far he drags defenders away from the paint/rim. Playing alongside Steph is playing the game on easy mode.

And because of that, his impact is unprecedented. It's the entire reason the Warriors have had the success they've had.
 

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Well, I guess my point is, since you made a clear distinction that Kobe is ranked considerably higher than Steph because you believe he impacted the defensive end, I wondered where you hold Magic given his impact on defense doesn't give him any currency in the all-time debate.

And why is it not particularly close?

If you really want to get into it, Magic Johnson was THE MAN on all his teams and backed up his status as the man through his play. Teams didn't seek him out to abuse him on the defensive end, and he gave a young Jordan problems.

Curry does one thing, and does that one thing UNBELIEVABLY. But that is the beginning and end of his effect on the court; he's gets hidden on defense, guarding the weakest guard on the opposing team, and even gets bodied by other guards his size; Kyrie Irving in particular was able to bully him in 2015 in Game 1 of the Finals.

Magic ran one of the most potent offenses the NBA has ever seen, where he was a key component in the movement of the ball, averaging over 11 assists per game NINE YEARS. In addition to being responsible for getting the Lakers' ball movement going, he dropped in 17-24 PPG those years. That's being responsible for more than 44 of his team's points, for nearly his entire career.

Steph is a point guard that allows his small forward to out-assist him every single year for the past six years aside from one year where they were practically tied. Klay guards the other team's best guard, sometimes their best player.

Steph is ineffective in situations where his team cannot support him properly. This is why the Warriors were in the Play-In when Klay was hurt, but went right back to the Finals when he was available. Steph is a great player, but you literally watch the entire Warrior squad attempt to set him a screen to utilize his shooting ability. When he doesn't have a player like Dray or Klay or Wiggins/Poole/Livingston/Iguodala supporting him, he's not as scary.

Magic has 5 championships, where he was indisputably the leader of the team at least three times, to the tune of three Finals MVPs. He's a career 20 PPG player that never took threes, and also gave you 11 assists per game for a career. He actually battled great players and never hid from the best player or assignment. He never needed other players to get his offense off, and could kill you for 30 or put the ball in the hands of Worthy, Coop or Kareem for 30. His game was not one dimensional in the way Curry's game is.

I mean, how much more can I say?
 

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Steph Curry has contemporaries that he still needs to contend with.

When he went head to head with Kyrie in the 16 Finals, Kyrie outplayed him, despite not being the primary option on the Cavs, and Steph being the number one option on the Warriors.

Kyrie destroyed Steph in that series, even though his game was predicated on the mid-range, and Steph's on the analytically superior 3-point game. Even there, Kyrie shot the better percentage from three, Steph's entire gameplan.

All I'm saying, is you can't put Steph on the level of someone like Magic fukking Johnson, when he's getting cooked head to head by a player many don't even consider better than him.

How many people have brought up Kyrie in this thread as someone who is a threat to Steph's legacy? Nobody, but when they went head up, Kyrie not only killed him, he beat him at his own game, and bust the game winning shot in his eye.


Kyrie also outplayed Curry in the 2017 Finals as well. In games that actually matter, Kyrie has won his match-up against Steph, and NOBODY is saying Kyrie is a top 10 player ever.

It is what it is :yeshrug:
 

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Look kobe was the best player in the NBA finals back to back years and we are debating if curry can perform historically great performance in back to back games, its a different level. As a rookie magic Johnson won the finals MVP, steph has spent a decade in the league and longer and this is his closest to it, levels to it. great players all
 
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