There is a standard...to be met.
You meet that standard or you don't
I didn't say it was easy, but asking for reform is a long term goal...the short term goal is making do with what we have and pushing more people through.
STEM Education And Jobs: Declining Numbers Of Blacks Seen In Math, Science
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You meet that standard or you don't
I didn't say it was easy, but asking for reform is a long term goal...the short term goal is making do with what we have and pushing more people through.
What standard? The ones that hire STEM workers? Or to be bosses of our own?
I ain't say it was going to be easy, but don't use deception and disguise it as a "challenge" for future STEM prospects.
I typically avoid threads like this because I am a black stem grad. I honestly don't have any answers other than it not being an attractive field. There is nothing sexy with taking organic chem with pimply face cacs. Most black folks I went to school with majored in psychology, business, or communications. Math and science is tough and is sink or swim. Plus with 1 credit 3 hour lab classes, you end up taking 6 to 9 hours more class time than other majors. That's a lot to deal with and most people, not just black, avoid it. For me it was common to take classes with only 6 other people, or see a class of 40 dwindle down to 15 by midterms. Was it worth it? For me yes, but it is not for everybody. It requires discipline and consistency that's hard when you 19 and wanting to party.
Where is this world you work in where STEM graduates just get a bachelors and go on to start multimillion dollar companies?
Gotta pay your dues.
MANY times these come from experienced workers (in STEM) who take their years of work and start their own firms and outfits.
OR these are PhD graduates who take their research and make companies.
Fact is, MOST F500 company CEOs and top brass ARE STEM alumni of some sort. Look up the stats.
And yes, STEM is hard...and so is life. Deal with it. Stop asking for this fukking easy shyt. You live in America...you're at least on 3rd base when it comes to the rest of the world.
theworldismine13
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im arguing for STEM degrees not against it
as am I.
@Poitier won't tell you why he's in a cognitive science program at a East-Coast university in a major city, tho
I never said STEM was not valuable but it does not tackle the biggest issues for Black folk.
its really not though.straw man let's be real most people are just trying to
and I can't fault that....
Nurses, much like trade school types and technicians ain't doing nothing but greasing the wheels for the most part.
The real movers and shakers and industry leaders invest the time and energy into getting those credentials.
Yeah it does.
Educational autonomy is a big one.
You think all these other kids of other backgrounds WANT to go into STEM? They all hate it, but they know they get amazing opportunities for doing so based on their upbringing.
Ignore crony capitalism, bro
Exactly
Those labs are no joke and sometimes I feel science can be unfair to people who work even part time. I remember my first lab and lecture class was m/w 3:30- 5pm lecture then t/th 7-10 lab
But I've seen lecture and labs all over the place. It really starts to blow your mind when you realize you have other classes to study for, on top of trying be on top of a very accumulative and dense subject. So I can't really knock others for dropping, because passing comes down to willpower and endurance; and burn out is real...
Camile.Bidan
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There are a lot of misconceptions in this thread. I work in a position where I see what everyone makes.
Entry level engineers make about 120k now. This is for four year degrees, and we aren't talking Ivy League schools here.
To put things in to perspective, at CPA at a public firm would need to reach senior manager to make that much, and that is 10 years of hell.
Engineers work until 6pm and go home. this is something that entry level accounting and finance employees cannot do. I can't stress how important that is. Engineers have true work/life balance whereas most professions do not.
What is unique about blacks and STEM? Blacks have low representation in nearly all the professions. I work at a 1200 empoyee firm, and that is just one office in my local area. Granted I am rarely at the office, but when I am there, I rarely see African Americans especially those who are not African immigrants. Of the 1200 employees, about half are Asian and half are white, which is the same composition at nearly every company (tech, finance or whatever) in this area.
My company has blanant affirmative action policies and the recruiters have URM diversity incentives and it is still VERY difficult to fill our ranks with African Americans and Hispanics. There just aren't a lot of African American candidates period.
But rather than focus on the negative what about the positive? I don't think that work campuses have ever been so diverse in this countries history. So many south Asians, Arabs, Eastern Europeans, East Asians and etc.
Entry level engineers make about 120k now. This is for four year degrees, and we aren't talking Ivy League schools here.
To put things in to perspective, at CPA at a public firm would need to reach senior manager to make that much, and that is 10 years of hell.
Engineers work until 6pm and go home. this is something that entry level accounting and finance employees cannot do. I can't stress how important that is. Engineers have true work/life balance whereas most professions do not.
What is unique about blacks and STEM? Blacks have low representation in nearly all the professions. I work at a 1200 empoyee firm, and that is just one office in my local area. Granted I am rarely at the office, but when I am there, I rarely see African Americans especially those who are not African immigrants. Of the 1200 employees, about half are Asian and half are white, which is the same composition at nearly every company (tech, finance or whatever) in this area.
My company has blanant affirmative action policies and the recruiters have URM diversity incentives and it is still VERY difficult to fill our ranks with African Americans and Hispanics. There just aren't a lot of African American candidates period.
But rather than focus on the negative what about the positive? I don't think that work campuses have ever been so diverse in this countries history. So many south Asians, Arabs, Eastern Europeans, East Asians and etc.
use phrases instead of in-depth responses because you've run out of talking points, brehs
