Statistically, Curry had the worst Finals performance of any MVP in NBA history

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I agree with this, him n Klay create open baskets for teammates because of defenses over playing them or just straight up confusion coming off screens. Currys careless turnovers offsets that though

Curry's always been guilty of committing careless turnovers. It's part of who he is at this point. I definitely wouldn't say it offsets how many open looks/FGs he generates for his team though. The Warriors offense is predicated on getting the best shot possible, and just as an estimate they will get an open look in one out of every three possessions - most of the credit goes to Curry due to his vision and passing ability and like you said teams overplaying him - leaving the Warriors to score 4v3.

 

[OG Talk]

I'm genuinely curious because dudes seem to think that Curry's assists are the only FGs he creates for his team. You'd be hard pressed to find another PG in this league that creates more open looks for his teammates than Curry does. Assists are most certainly not the only way to measure them. I mean shyt he's generating more points for his teammates than he did under Jackson when he was averaging 8-9 assists a game.

No you're not

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yes you do .

You didn't say this?



Double standards are about two things that are the same being treated differently. Bogut being out is not anywhere close to Kyrie being out. Therefore there is no double standard here. People didn't bemoan the Cavs lack of health in general last year (Bron wasn't right, Shumpert had tears everywhere) they bemoaned their 2nd and 3rd best players being out for almost the entire series. That is in no way comparable to Bogut missing 2 and half games.

It's the double standard of injuries/health as a whole - not the degree of which player(s) is injured. People can't feel justified in thinking the Warriors can't beat a healthy/full-strength Cavs team because they lost (or say that the Cavs would've won if they were at full strength in the '15 Finals) when the Cavs didn't beat a full-strength Warriors team this season. The double standard is in them crowning the Cavaliers winning under the circumstances that they did, but if the Warriors won under similar circumstances, there would be another asterisk attached to their title.

See -

Did you even bother to pay attention to what I posted?

This isn't about what would've happened if LeBron lost - it's about what would've happened if the Warriors won. LeBron and the Cavs are being crowned (and rightfully so, as every championship team should) because they won under said circumstances. If the Warriors would've won under the same circumstances (Cavs up 3-1 when both teams at full strength, only for the league to suspend a Cavs player in G5 which is then compounded by injuries to TWO Cavs players, with the Warriors benefiting off this to win in G7) - this board would've branded their title with another asterisk.

Cavs win under the circumstances that took place = this board crowns them
Warriors win under those same circumstances = this board says it was rigged and they were lucky the Cavs had a player suspended and players injured, else they would've lost as the Cavs proved to be the better team when all things were equal (both teams at full strength)

How many times do I need to repeat this before it is understood?

That. Is. The. Double. Standard.

I've already had a similar conversation with you in the past about you not knowing what hypocritical measures posters took against this Warriors team. It involved LeBron too.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No you're not

I am, because I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion in the first place.

 

[FTBS]

It's the double standard of injuries/health as a whole - not the degree of which player(s) is injured. People can't feel justified in thinking the Warriors can't beat a healthy/full-strength Cavs team because they lost (or say that the Cavs would've won if they were at full strength in the '15 Finals) when the Cavs didn't beat a full-strength Warriors team this season. The double standard is in them crowning the Cavaliers winning under the circumstances that they did, but if the Warriors won under similar circumstances, there would be another asterisk attached to their title.

See -


That. Is. The. Double. Standard.

I've already had a similar conversation with you in the past about you not knowing what hypocritical measures posters took against this Warriors team. It involved LeBron too.

Breh the discussion about injuries last year was very specific. It was about Kyrie and Love not about overall health, period. You can't change it into an overarching, conceptual point just to fit your argument. You really gonna act like the Warriors haven't been crowned on here? Sure they have detractors, as does every team, but to act is if they haven't been acknowledged by most as champs and the best team in the L over the last year is just intellectually dishonest.

I know you aren't suggesting that this board is pro-Bron/anti-Warriors. I just know you aren't coming close to suggesting that. "Intellectually dishonest" wouldn't even be strong enough for that one. I mean have you seen all the threads that have been upped with folks who couldn't wait to shyt on Bron and Cavs and exalting the Warriors with more to come I am sure. I recall us having a discussion where you rightly called me out on responding to a select few like they were representative of the whole board or the majority of the board. You should probably follow your own advice.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Breh the discussion about injuries last year was very specific. It was about Kyrie and Love not about overall health, period. You can't change it into an overarching, conceptual point just to fit your argument. You really gonna act like the Warriors haven't been crowned on here? Sure they have detractors, as does every team, but to act is if they haven't been acknowledged by most as champs and the best team in the L over the last year is just intellectually dishonest.

I don't need to act - I know. I've seen it with my own two eyes. The amount of nonsense [asterisk - rigged, luck, gimmick team, ruining the game, wouldn't last in any other era] I've read over the last two years is nauseating. This board (I use that term loosely) most certainly didn't crown the Warriors last season. It seems like you haven't been paying enough attention (I don't blame you), just like you seemed to think people only had a problem with LeBron and the Cavs and their 3-pt shooting post-Hawks series, when folk have been whinging about the Warriors' 3-pt shooting ruining the game for the last two years.

I know you aren't suggesting that this board is pro-Bron/anti-Warriors.

I see it as less pro-Bron and more pro-the opposite side to analytics and new-era basketball that the Warriors have been the face of.

I just know you aren't coming close to suggesting that. "Intellectually dishonest" wouldn't even be strong enough for that one. I mean have you seen all the threads that have been upped with folks who couldn't wait to shyt on Bron and Cavs and exalting the Warriors with more to come I am sure. I recall us having a discussion where you rightly called me out on responding to a select few like they were representative of the whole board or the majority of the board. You should probably follow your own advice.

Man look, I don't know what to tell you if you haven't seen the bullshyt that's been said and the goalposts that have been moved in regards to this team.

 

[360Waves]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

for Curry.

NBA season is over breh.

 

[FTBS]

I don't need to act - I know. I've seen it with my own two eyes. The amount of nonsense [asterisk - rigged, luck, gimmick team, ruining the game, wouldn't last in any other era] I've read over the last two years is nauseating. This board (I use that term loosely) most certainly didn't crown the Warriors last season. It seems like you haven't been paying enough attention (I don't blame you), just like you seemed to think people only had a problem with LeBron and the Cavs and their 3-pt shooting post-Hawks series, when folk have been whinging about the Warriors' 3-pt shooting ruining the game for the last two years.

I see it as less pro-Bron and more pro-the opposite side to analytics and new-era basketball that the Warriors have been the face of.

Man look, I don't know what to tell you if you haven't seen the bullshyt that's been said and the goalposts that have been moved in regards to this team.

Naw breh this whole convo started with double standard talk. You were wrong on that.

You clearly are acting. You saying the Warriors haven't been crowned on here is the same, probably even worse based on the amount of bandwagon hopping and dikksucking going on with them on here, than the bolded that you rightly called me out on. You are doing the same thing but of course Mr. "look in the mirror" can't see it. Ironic.

Naw breh are you saying this board is pro-Bron/anti-Warriors? Yes or No. That will tell me all I need to know about where you are coming from.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Naw breh this whole convo started with double standard talk. You were wrong on that..

Do NOT tell me on what I'm wrong on, when I've been reading that shyt for the last 12+ months.

You clearly are acting. You saying the Warriors haven't been crowned on here is the same, probably even worse based on the amount of bandwagon hopping and dikksucking going on with them on here, than the bolded that you rightly called me out on. You are doing the same thing but of course Mr. "look in the mirror" can't see it. Ironic.

I can't even believe I'm having this discussion right now. It's like you're telling me the last 12+ months I've been literally arguing against myself when it comes to this Warriors team with all the dumb shyt that's been said about them. This is hilarious.

Naw breh are you saying this board is pro-Bron/anti-Warriors? Yes or No. That will tell me all I need to know about where you are coming from.

What part of "I see it as less pro-Bron and more pro-the opposite side to analytics and new-era basketball that the Warriors have been the face of." do you not understand? At the end of the day the hate they receive on this board has nothing to do with LeBron, and all to do with what the Warriors supposedly stand for.

 

[FTBS]

Do NOT tell me on what I'm wrong on, when I've been reading that shyt for the last 12+ months.

I can't even believe I'm having this discussion right now. It's like you're telling me the last 12+ months I've been literally arguing against myself when it comes to this Warriors team with all the dumb shyt that's been said about them. This is hilarious.



What part of "I see it as less pro-Bron and more pro-the opposite side to analytics and new-era basketball that the Warriors have been the face of." do you not understand? At the end of the day the hate they receive on this board has nothing to do with LeBron, and all to do with what the Warriors supposedly stand for.

You been reading about Mosgov being hurt or non-specific injuries for 12 months? Interesting. Obviously hasn't been on here .

I clearly said they have detractors, like every other team. I am merely challenging your assertion that they represent the entire board. As with most things it's the usual suspects on that shyt and that's who you go back and forth with over and over again. Like I said, you are doing the same exact thing you called me on but it's apparent that the truth and reason you swear you are all about come second to your own ego and/or bias when you are clearly wrong on something. You aren't alone in that. I just always held out hope that there was at least one other out their like me .

 

[Kings County]

 

[rapbeats]

It's the double standard of injuries/health as a whole - not the degree of which player(s) is injured. People can't feel justified in thinking the Warriors can't beat a healthy/full-strength Cavs team because they lost (or say that the Cavs would've won if they were at full strength in the '15 Finals) when the Cavs didn't beat a full-strength Warriors team this season. The double standard is in them crowning the Cavaliers winning under the circumstances that they did, but if the Warriors won under similar circumstances, there would be another asterisk attached to their title.

See -


That. Is. The. Double. Standard.

I've already had a similar conversation with you in the past about you not knowing what hypocritical measures posters took against this Warriors team. It involved LeBron too.

wait what? what double standard?

the cavs 100% healthy vs the warriors 100% healthy this season. the cavs were getting washed at every turn during the season. the playoffs kicked in and things got tigheter. Warriors barely getting out of the west vs a nice and healty rested cavs team in the super weak east. and guess what it was until the draymond suspension and bogut injury/iggy back problems? 3-1 warriors lead.

if all things are equal. the warriors are at worse a 4-1 winner over the cavs or 4-2. and thats with kyrie cookin.

bron would've never had a nice fg% breakout 40 point game without a missing draymond, missing bogut in the paint, and a hurt iggy the following guy due to him playing center the previous game due to no draymond. it was a dominoe affect.

if by chance the warriors were healthy this year and cavs were healthy and i saw the cavs beat the warriors. i would say welp... the cavs were always better healthy. but that was never the case this season nor in the playoffs. THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

 

[rapbeats]

wow. I don't think I've ever seen a player be exposed on the biggest stage this badly.

COULD BE TRUE.

but what is also true is CURRY WAS THE MOST DISRESPECTED TWO TIME MVP EVER in the playoffs by the refs.

I know the dude is a chucker. but my goodness how do you foul a guy out who hasnt fouled out in years? and a lot of the calls were soft. while he's being held and grabbed and pushed on every cut off the ball and every shot he takes anywhere near the 3pt line?

i bet curry averaged not just the least amt of FTs attempted ever by a MVP. even if you cut off 4 attempts cause he's a shooter and not a driver or post player. he would still fall far behind where he should have been. and its not just ft attempts its fouls off the ball that have to be called.

HOW DO YOU STOP/SLOW GSTATE?

OKC says... GRAB AND HOLD THEM while they're cutting off the ball to slow up the play and mess up their timing.

Cavs says--- do what OKC did. and get draymond up outta here for a game, and pray others get injured.

grabbing and holding off the ball while guys are running their routes is illegal. this aint football. and if memory serves me correct. you technically cant hold a receiver the entire time he's running his route. and thats FOOTBALl.

 

[rapbeats]

B-b-but Warriors lost cause Andrew Bigot didn't get his 12 mins a game

lol.

NO DRAYMOND for help defense and some help on bron = bron goes nuts with a high fg%

no Bogut and no draymond(for a game) in the paint for 12 mins on defense = tristan thompson grabs every single rebound

no bogut in the paint for 12 mins the other games = zero size. its one thing to go small most of the time. but if you never can go with a normal sized center vs a larger team. you will run into size issues when your smalls need a breather at the Center spot.



bogut also helps run the offense so its not all on curry. when bogut runs the offense he hits more cutters and shooters. all done within that 12 min stint. shoot in a few mins vs the cavs he had like 4 blocks did he not? the guy averaged 2 blocks in 12 mins. tell me that isnt necessary or needed.



no draymond, bogut goes down. bron goes off with a high fg%. iggy had to play center at times. thats worse than dray playing center. iggy is a true sf and nothing more. not a center on no earth on no court. but he had to play center for a stint during that game.

iggy starts to have back problems the following game. draymond is back no bogut all game. -bron goes off can't be guarded.

game 7 iggy's back is fine. draymond is back in his groove. bron's fg% drops like a rock. and thats still with no bogut.

all of a sudden bron can't shoot again. he was wet like water in games 5 and 6.

you telling me the missing pieces didnt matter..lol ask lebron.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

lol.

NO DRAYMOND for help defense and some help on bron = bron goes nuts with a high fg%

no Bogut and no draymond(for a game) in the paint for 12 mins on defense = tristan thompson grabs every single rebound

no bogut in the paint for 12 mins the other games = zero size. its one thing to go small most of the time. but if you never can go with a normal sized center vs a larger team. you will run into size issues when your smalls need a breather at the Center spot.



bogut also helps run the offense so its not all on curry. when bogut runs the offense he hits more cutters and shooters. all done within that 12 min stint. shoot in a few mins vs the cavs he had like 4 blocks did he not? the guy averaged 2 blocks in 12 mins. tell me that isnt necessary or needed.



no draymond, bogut goes down. bron goes off with a high fg%. iggy had to play center at times. thats worse than dray playing center. iggy is a true sf and nothing more. not a center on no earth on no court. but he had to play center for a stint during that game.

iggy starts to have back problems the following game. draymond is back no bogut all game. -bron goes off can't be guarded.

game 7 iggy's back is fine. draymond is back in his groove. bron's fg% drops like a rock. and thats still with no bogut.

all of a sudden bron can't shoot again. he was wet like water in games 5 and 6.

you telling me the missing pieces didnt matter..lol ask lebron.

Lebron shot 14-26 game 3, everyone healthy