Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Official Thread)

[CHL]

That's assuming the writers think they have to resurrect the Jedi which I'm not sure they feel that way. Not in terms of having another Jedi order

that could also be an interesting way to go

But still if not the Jedi you would think some sort of force group/organisation would develop

 

[The ADD]

that could also be an interesting way to go

But still if not the Jedi you would think some sort of force group/organisation would develop

You have to wonder about timelines. Big picture they really can't establish a totally new Jedi order within this current trilogy.

Now if they making a growing entity the next trilogy would have so much to work with

 

[wire28]

Rey is a given, I mean apart from her. It can't be like the OT where there is only Luke at the end of 6.

since episode 7 was a soft reboot of a new hope, i'd argue that it will be like the OT

 

[Box Cutta]

the difference between this boards reaction to Finn vs. reaction on some other boards is hilarious. Just saw a post somewhere which basically explained how Finn is the most important character in TFA, since without him Poe doesn't escape, Rey has no idea why First Order just tries to steal their droid (and more likely succeed) and the Resistance doesn't really have a chance to survive against the First Order.

Really?

I've seen a mixed reaction towards his character everywhere.

All kinds of articles.

Twitter.

Other message forums.

A lot of people are dissatisfied with his character.The ones that aren't, just don't seem to care. Where is the theorizing/speculation about Finn?

For as much as y'all love to come in here and bytch about black posters "turning this into TLR"....at least we give a fukk. We seem to be the only ones actually interested in the co-lead of this movie.

Like when?

It's a somewhat common trope in comics/games/movies to make black characters either 1) The "Cyborg" dudes :

or 2) The big, rpg carrying, "tank" characters :

Sometimes, it's a combination of both :

Basically, it's common that black characters are the ones that aren't truly special. They have no internal power source, if you will. They fight on a completely physical level, never reaching the higher emotional/spiritual/mental levels. How often is it that black characters get to be the ones on the "team" to use "magic"?

Basically, it can be presumed that, rather than give black characters there OWN internal power or specialty....creators often resort to falling back on these tropes. This gives them a check-mark for "diversity", without having to actually develop a black character in a thought-out, nuanced manner that other characters get.

It would be *particularly* problematic in STAR WARS...a universe centered on a magic "Force", where your power and understanding of it comes from some sort of internal spiritual connection.

So, "the force" is all about your spirit, your intellect, your heart and patience...it's the power that connects everything and everyone in SW. It's not something that can necessary be earned (Although, tbf, Lucas made it *seem* as though it's something that can be inherited in the prequels), but those who have it must be made aware to it, and have to work to truly be in tune to it. It's not a medical operation a doctor can give you (Mech shyt), nor is it a tool that can be built and mastered (Blasters). Force Sensitive in SW = Special

So yeah...I'm gonna pretty pretty disappointed if they just decide to give Finn some stupid, dehumanizing, mech-shyt, or if they just make him "the blaster guy". What a let down that would be.

Finn is pretty much already the least skillful character in SW movie history outside of Padme. Can't fly. Can't speak any language other than English. No mechanical skills.

He needs a *Big* comeback, and a TRUE showing of being special. Not weak shyt like....being given some sort of built in jump pack, and taking on a nobody character like Phasma, while being Poe's sidekick.

I agree that it would make 0% sense to suddenly make Finn less than the co-lead though. My guess is that he'll end up being force sensitive/potentially a jedi, since that could partially explain why he decided to leave First Order (=Force awakened etc.)

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He's *supposed* to be the co-lead. They basically marketed TFA on his and Ridley's back....sent them everywhere. I barely saw Isaac and Driver.

But the reaction online seems to be all about Rey/Kylo/Luke/Snoke....it almost feels as thought TFA was *trying* to cool us on Finn. He's basically a beta-loser janitor that gets put into a coma at the end of the movie. So, no surprises that there isn't much theorizing on where his character is going, or that his toys aren't selling, or that people are "shipping" him with every single character except for the one that he actually showed interest in.

I'm almost embarrassed, because I actually bought that LF was interested in breaking down barriers with his character. But it seems as though Finn as a character did everything *but* that.

And that's just the PLOT based issues. There other other issues. He has the strangest, least "star warsy" dialogue of any character. Pretty boring character design (Complete non-iconic, look at Rey and look at Finn). His theme is *barely* present, and even then, it's always mixed in with Rey's theme. I swear they did this on purpose.

And before he comes in here hatin'..... @Darth Humanist

 

[Box Cutta]

I honestly don't give a fukk who Snoke is.

They could do a cross-promotion with Marvel and make Snoke Thanos. I wouldn't even care.

They better fukking fix Finn. That's my only concern with these sequels.

 

[H.J.Duck]

So it's basically fukk the entire franchise as long as Finn is a black superhero yeah we dont really have shyt to talk about then

 

[The American]

@Box Cutta was outed as a pedo a few years bike, don't take anything he says seriously. Dude is weird and lucky to still be posting here.

 

[CHL]

@Box Cutta was outed as a pedo a few years bike, don't take anything he says seriously. Dude is weird and lucky to still be posting here.

 

[Box Cutta]

http://beyondomatic.com/yo/epVIIIs.pdf

^ Fake script I've seen going around. I only lightly browsed it...I wouldn't waste my time less you want a laugh.

For some reason, Finn ends up with Robotic legs, like the guy in The Signal...Phasma literally spits in his face at one point....I will RIOT....

So it's basically fukk the entire franchise as long as Finn is a black superhero yeah we dont really have shyt to talk about then

I mean...every other character is already a superhero. Can you deny Rey's greatness? Poe's pilot skills? Kylo stopping blaster bolts and shyt? Every other character is already on point.

Finn? Oh...he's um...he's....he's really brave....

@Box Cutta was outed as a pedo a few years bike, don't take anything he says seriously. Dude is weird and lucky to still be posting here.

Naw, you got me fukked up....

But let's not dwell on old things, friends....

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Finn's closest counterpart so far is Jar Jar.

A selfless well intentioned individual initially scared of real confrontation but ends up willing to put in work. They both never show the skillset to make a difference on their own and need others tk step in and save them (Qui Gon / Poe, Anakin / Rey, Captain Tarfal or whatever / Han and later Rey).

People forget Jar Jar also put in work and showed bravery. He was on the frontlines of the Naboo battle and united Naboo on some MLK shyt.

Yeah he was too much of a clown and George fukked up with the poopjokes and accent but it wasn't all bad IMO.

Finn also wasn't all bad

 

[CHL]

Finn's closest counterpart so far is Jar Jar.

A selfless well intentioned individual initially scared of real confrontation but ends up willing to put in work. They both never show the skillset to make a difference on their own and need others tk step in and save them (Qui Gon / Poe, Anakin / Rey, Captain Tarfal or whatever / Han and later Rey).

People forget Jar Jar also put in work and showed bravery. He was on the frontlines of the Naboo battle and united Naboo on some MLK shyt.

Yeah he was too much of a clown and George fukked up with the poopjokes and accent but it wasn't all bad IMO.

Finn also wasn't all bad

 

[wire28]

Finn's closest counterpart so far is Jar Jar.

A selfless well intentioned individual initially scared of real confrontation but ends up willing to put in work. They both never show the skillset to make a difference on their own and need others tk step in and save them (Qui Gon / Poe, Anakin / Rey, Captain Tarfal or whatever / Han and later Rey).

People forget Jar Jar also put in work and showed bravery. He was on the frontlines of the Naboo battle and united Naboo on some MLK shyt.

Yeah he was too much of a clown and George fukked up with the poopjokes and accent but it wasn't all bad IMO.

Finn also wasn't all bad

Agreed. He is an improved version of jar jar and obviously the crowds enjoyed his loveable incompetence and comic relief. Every movie needs their loveable loser to lighten the mood.

With episode 8 being darker the audience will definitely need Finn stumbling and bumbling the entire movie more than ever, to maintain some levity.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I'm not dissing Jar Jar, I'm not anti-Jar Jar at all - he was just overused.

It's just that Episode VII set itself up as a soft reboot into the SW universe - my biggest criticism is it's lack of creativity (least creative film of the whole bunch). If I look for a parallel to Finn it's Jar Jar.

Not because they're both niccaz, but because of the reasons I stated. Which I stand by

He's definitely not Luke/Anakin - that's Rey.
He's no Han, that's Han.
He's no Obi-Wan (prequels Obi-Wan was a unique character/original Obi-Wan is reflected by Han for the knowledge and Luke for the myth/Jedi training).

Break him down - an outcast, good guy, initially scared but shows bravery, doesn't show the skillset to make the difference while still achieving some good shyt, willing to fight Kylo Ren and the First Order in the end.

That's Jar Jar.

Outcast from the Gungans, innocent, scared, not skilled but still gets the Jedi to the Queen (Finn gets Rey off planet)) and unifies the races (Finn gives the intel on Starkiller Base), willing to fight the droid armies.

Finn's qualities are not unique, people just seem to forget what Jar Jar did in their hatred of his buffoonery.

 

[The ADD]

 

[Ziggiy]

Agreed. He is an improved version of jar jar and obviously the crowds enjoyed his loveable incompetence and comic relief. Every movie needs their loveable loser to lighten the mood.

With episode 8 being darker the audience will definitely need Finn stumbling and bumbling the entire movie more than ever, to maintain some levity.

So much truth